Originally posted by sacgamer25
Originally posted by TruthSeekerMike
1 Timothy4:1-6 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2
Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3 They forbid people to marry and order them to
abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4 For everything God
created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5 because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.
6 If you point these things out to the brothers and sisters, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, nourished on the truths of the faith and of
the good teaching that you have followed.
I ask you this simple question who is telling you to abstain from certain foods and telling widowed priests not to remarry? Why are they teaching
things that scripture says not to teach? I am not asking you to abstain from anything, I am merely asking you to listen to the Holy Spirit. If you
do this there is nothing else that I have to tell you, because Christ will answer everything else for you.
You do realize that Paul was writing to Timothy who was a Priest and later a Bishop right? The same Paul who wrote "Therefore, brethren, stand fast,
and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle." and "the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses,
the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also." That last quote is from the same book you quote but an earlier chapter.
In fact, there's an awful lot of very Church-specific things in Timothy. The verses you chose exemplify the need for unchanging tradition. It's not
about rules or foods, it's about keeping the fullness of the truth of the Gospel alive untarnished.
Timothy was a bishop according to who? You do realize the bible only speaks of three different roles in the church.
The apostle, who is someone who travels around spreading the good news, most closely related to missionary. The apostles all worked with their hands
to provide an income when they traveled. Paul actually considered it robbery when he had to take money from the church for his travels.
The Overseer, who is someone who is responsible for the church meeting, probably settling disputes in the church. This was the head office in the
church with only the Apostles having more authority. Interestingly enough the apostles and the Overseers worked for a living and it was actually
required that the Overseer be someone who worked and could take care of his own family. There is never mention of a priest who stands at a pulpit and
earns his living from talking to the congregation each week. This would be church tradition but not biblical.
Finally there is the Deacon whose wife was a Deaconess. Their primary role was to cook and serve dinner the Lord's Supper, most closely related to
usher. After all it was the Lord's Supper eaten at church not the Eucharist, at least in the bible. Sharing the Lord's Supper at church is biblical,
the Eucharist is church tradition.
So your church tells you that Timothy was a Bishop, even the role of Bishop, as it the church currently recognizes it, is not found anywhere in the
bible. Both Paul and Timothy gave credit to Christ as the teacher, but you think that the church holds the keys to understanding. Paul says
repeatedly that it is not he but the Holy Spirit at work in him that is providing the inspiration for his letters.
Do you think only Priests and Bishops hear from the Holy Spirit?
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You haven't read the bible, you've found verses to support your feelings. Did you miss chapter 3 wjen you were quoting chapter 4? "This is a true
saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deac
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