Explain to me how Homosexuals aren't "born that way".

reply to post by Phantom28804

Then she decided she was a lesbian. I was saying there was no pre-cursor that I know of etc. Not saying that she didn't have the urges throughout life. Just my own personal observation.

Yeah, I'm not sure that was the same type of "decided" the people in the other thread would be referring to, but I see what you are saying.

It's actually hard to say with girls these days it seems the whole "bisexual" deal is in right now, so most girls experiment or at least let on they have, so it's hard to say if they are making a decision or not. Personally, I feel if you can make that choice at all, you aren't really making a choice.

I can't today decide that some dudes junk is going to turn me on, doesn't work that way. So if I was to start messing around with guys tomorrow, I'd have to say it was always there, maybe at an unconscious level.

I have a friend, one I've mentioned in another thread here, who experimented with women and didn't like it, tried it once, gave it a shot, didn't do anything for her. In fact she said it was quite un-enjoyable. So yes, she decided to try, but her body told her nope, wrong parts, not working.

So you could say she decided to try homosexual intercourse, but she couldn't, like I don't think anyone can, decide to be gay.

reply to post by phishyblankwaters

Thank you I was hoping someone would do this. How many times will someone ask this here? Most people don't choose to be looked down on and who would choose a life that makes them 2nd class under the law? Do all Christians realize the Bible said nothing bad about homosexuality until the dark ages when the pope demanded that it was changed? God never promoted hatred like some people do. And if governments were willing to put money up to study this a long time ago we'd know exactly how someone is born that way. Some studies are finally starting to figure it out like one has shown difference in skull structure of gay people and some say its genetics. In the end though it doesn't take a scientist to figure it out. Logic and common sense proves enough.

Originally posted by Phantom28804
I have known a few people who were straight and then just up and changed their minds one day.

simply not true

If the idea of our individual sexual preferances is only based on things like genetics and biology, or phisology then wouldn't that also give rise to the acceptance of acts we at this points still consider to be immoral like beastiality, incest, and pedofilia? Those are sexual preferences...so if they are only a genetic defucnt then how bad are they really based on that idea of what they are representative of?
Also could one go a step further and say the specific acts performed during sex that some consider innapropriate like sadism or beating your partner or such really be nothing more than your genetic response to the enviroment which you have put yourself in?
Its interesting to think about although I believe it all to be immoral, even heterosexuality, but its important for even the hardest minded individual to test their theories in the marketplace of ideas. Thats how we grow stronger.

Originally posted by Phantom28804
I remember when I was in high school one of the girls I dated had a little brother who was all of 8 or so. The kid was constantly stealing her dresses and underwear etc.

That's probably a Transgender.

Different then homosexual.

Just an FYI.

Originally posted by DevilsLettuce
If the idea of our individual sexual preferances is only based on things like genetics and biology, or phisology then wouldn't that also give rise to the acceptance of acts we at this points still consider to be immoral like beastiality, incest, and pedofilia? Those are sexual preferences...so if they are only a genetic defucnt then how bad are they really based on that idea of what they are representative of?

Its Sexual Orientation - - not preference.

I do believe pedophiles are born also.

But - - - pedophile has a victim. It can not be legal.

Researchers today say: "we are all shades of gray". Black and White (male/female) - - - is scientifically outdated.

Originally posted by DrumsRfun
reply to post by phishyblankwaters

 

One of my best friends is queerer than a 3 dollar bill.
He knew when he was 6 that he liked boys.

He was born that way and knew it and just went with it.
I agree with you...you can't pick what your genitals like or want.
It is what it is.

I usually don't bother with the gay threads because there is too much judging and hatred to even bother typing a reply.

People are people...the ones who have a problem with it might have to either agree to disagree or go and look in the mirror before judging others.

They are born the way they are born.

Amazing that he knew that at 6 years old, before puberty !!!

LOL on the other hand, i know a few gay people , and they are different in many ways, not just sexually...i notice they think they are really worldly, not sure why...and that most of them have told me it took a real decision at a point, and has not made them feel better , or not better...other than the fact they "decided".

I have to ask this question though, why must you talk so strangely when you have made the choice, is it something that happens to your olfactory nerves ?? My buddies who came out of the closet suddenly started talking different, acting different until they were so queer it was just too weird to be around.

I think much of it is Trendiness, and not self-expression at all, much like tattoos.

monkey see monkey do. If a person sees 2 guys kissing as a child, he will be more likely to copy them.
You probably don't have kids, or haven't been around them much. They copy nearly everything they see.
They're like sponges.

second, there's a theory that's called "exotic becomes erotic"
Most kids hang out with children of the same gender. They say girls are icky at a young age.
That's normal development.
Many people who turn out gay, say they mostly hung out with girls.


This ongoing argument is ridiculous. There's no way to prove either side is right, because both sides are half right and half wrong.

For nearly every debate on whether it's nature or nurture based, It's ALWAYS a mixture of both.
Homosexuals aren't just born that way. It's a combination of being born with a genetic makeup that makes them susceptible, AND being exposed to certain environmental factors.

Originally posted by smyleegrl
You know, the main group of folks who are so adamant that homosexuality is wrong are the same folks who encourage us to love one another.

edit on 30-4-2012 by smyleegrl because: (no reason given)

I can't recall any christians encouraging us to love one another in a looong time.

reply to post by GrinchNoMore

Amazing that he knew that at 6 years old, before puberty !!!

That is exactly why i don't even want to post here anymore....denying ignorance is hard when surrounded by so many ignorant and immature people.

LOL on the other hand, i know a few gay people , and they are different in many ways, not just sexually...i notice they think they are really worldly, not sure why...

Yes you have gay friends but...www.abovetopsecret.com...

My buddies who came out of the closet suddenly started talking different, acting different until they were so queer it was just too weird to be around.

Who cares??
People are people.



You really don't get it do you??

Again....www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by GmoS719

Then you are really uninformed. Even science has found the brain of a gay person is physically different than from a straight person.

Originally posted by smyleegrl
You know, the main group of folks who are so adamant that homosexuality is wrong are the same folks who encourage us to love one another.

Despite the confusing similarity, "Love your neighbor as yourself" and "stick your penis in his anus" are not synonymous.

With that said, the group of Christians that seek out to judge other folks for their lifestyles quite clearly aren't as Christian as they think...per the Bible:

“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye." - Matthew 7:3-53

AND

"Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?" - James 4:11-12

...and saying that this group (which blatantly doesn't follow what Christ taught let alone the above scriptures) somehow represents Christianity is like saying "Casey Anthony represents America, therefore America must be about killing kids and getting away with it." The logic behind that is empty and ignorant.

If someone is behaving contrary to the teachings of a religion they're obviously not representative of it and shouldn't be hoisted up as such. I don't why people pretend not to understand that simple concept.

reply to I believe that none of us are born with an automatic sex drive towards either sex. All of it is taught. No one is born straight or gay but we are born with a natural instinct to reproduce. Gay people can't do that. So it doesn't make sense.