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The Immigration conspiracy. Something IS happening!

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posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 06:53 AM
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There you go. You just called me a racist without knowing me or my friends. What does it feel like to be like that and what does it make you to put an insult to someone you don't even know?


...Really? I don't care what friends you have. In case you missed it, the only point you guys have is if or when I say racist. That's your entire argument right now. I'm the immigration problem personified to you guys, because I argue from a realistic point of view and not a populist one, and it happens to be on the other side of the fence. That's how your brains function, yet you can't see it. Sure, if simple logic and causality go over your guys heads, then complex reasoning must be a completely different league for you guys. Ow wait, you're a girl. That must mean I'm such a hypocrite.
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posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 06:57 AM
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Originally posted by InfoKartel
reply to post by Hecate666
 



There you go. You just called me a racist without knowing me or my friends. What does it feel like to be like that and what does it make you to put an insult to someone you don't even know?


...Really? I don't care what friends you have. In case you missed it, the only point you guys have is if or when I say racist. That's your entire argument right now. I'm the immigration problem personified to you guys, because I argue from a realistic point of view and not a populist one, and it happens to be on the other side of the fence. That's how your brains function, yet you can't see it. Sure, if simple logic and causality go over your guys heads, then complex reasoning must be a completely different league for you guys. Ow wait, you're girl. That must mean I'm such a hypocrite.


As long as he has "coloured friends" and spouts his nazi, kkk rhetoric, he thinks hes not a racist, this guy is a complete loon.



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 06:58 AM
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Originally posted by InfoKartel

...Really? I don't care what friends you have. In case you missed it, the only point you guys have is if or when I say racist. That's your entire argument right now.


We only mention that because when you call someone racist, it is going against your supposed beliefs of "we are all one race."

There are so many holes in your argument it is just pointless for you to continue.
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posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 07:11 AM
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We only mention that because when you call someone racist, it is going against your supposed beliefs of "we are all one race."


No it does not. I know it's hard to understand logic and reason when you're filled to the brim by arguments that stem from nothing but pure hate. I understand you have no interest to look where your arguments stem from, I understand that because you don't understand history you are repeating it.

If you believe there are more than 1 races and you believe in the superiority of one over the other; You are a racist.

Now, it doesn't matter if I believe there to be one race, and that is the human race, to call a supremacist a racist. Because they perceive more races. That is their belief. Their superiority complex leads them to believe what they believe. What they or you believe has no reflection on me calling you or them out!

How is this hard to understand?


There are so many holes in your argument it is just pointless for you to continue. So tell me, what is your motive for trying to shut us all up?


I don't want to shut you all up. In fact, I don't WANT anything from you. If you would be kind enough though to stop discriminating it would be nice. And would you please stop spreading all the bullcrap about immigrants/crime, and blown-out-of-proportion immigration numbers, because your political party pushes you to do these things? Or maybe your racist parents pushed you to these things? It's creating additional problems for YOURSELF and god forbid you share(indoctrinate) your xenophobic beliefs with your children, perpetuating the circle of ignorance.

In fact, I'll prove I don't want you to shut up. Say anything you wish, you won't see me respond in this nonsense thread any longer. Simple logic isn't reaching you, anything above that is only confusing you it seems...so bye-bye.
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posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 07:27 AM
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Originally posted by InfoKartel
reply to post by daaskapital
 



We only mention that because when you call someone racist, it is going against your supposed beliefs of "we are all one race."


No it does not. I know it's hard to understand logic and reason when you're filled to the brim by arguments that stem from nothing but pure hate. I understand you have no interest to look where your arguments stem from, I understand that because you don't understand history you are repeating it.

If you believe there are more than 1 races and you believe in the superiority of one over the other; You are a racist.

Now, it doesn't matter if I believe there to be one race, and that is the human race, to call a supremacist a racist. Because they perceive more races. That is their belief. Their superiority complex leads them to believe what they believe. What they or you believe has no reflection on me calling you or them out!

How is this hard to understand?


There are so many holes in your argument it is just pointless for you to continue. So tell me, what is your motive for trying to shut us all up?


I don't want to shut you all up. In fact, I don't WANT anything from you. If you would be kind enough though to stop discriminating it would be nice. And would you please stop spreading all the bullcrap about immigrants/crime, and blown-out-of-proportion immigration numbers, because your political party pushes you to do these things? Or maybe your racist parents pushed you to these things? It's creating additional problems for YOURSELF and god forbid you share(indoctrinate) your xenophobic beliefs with your children, perpetuating the circle of ignorance.

In fact, I'll prove I don't want you to shut up. Say anything you wish, you won't see me respond in this nonsense thread any longer. Simple logic isn't reaching you, anything above that is only confusing you it seems...so bye-bye.
edit on 25-4-2012 by InfoKartel because: (no reason given)


Thank you for the reply.

Firstly, i believe there are many races. The humans are a species, with races. Believing that there are more than 1 race does not make one racist. All races are equal.

Secondly, a rise of immigrants of 34% annually is quite significant, and when crimes like robberies and assaults rise from the immigrants whom are immigrating, what is one supposed to think?

Yes, you will leave now because we successfully destroyed and picked apart your weak argument for what ever agenda you may have had.



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 10:37 AM
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Originally posted by InfoKartel
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InfoKartel, reading through your posts you are someone that is sure that you stand for good and for what is right, even though it is all subjective when you stand by opinion


Oh sure, it's my opinion alright.


You shout racist whenever you can and believe truly what you say to be fact.


Not whenever I can, I always shout it. Duh. That's how us here intellectuals win debates in there 'dem hills, didn't you know that?



What amazes me is that you seem to have no insight in to the effect that uncontrolled levels of immigration has.


What amazes me is your ignorance about history. Your non-experience with life or the balance of life. Yet your insistence on making a point when there is none to be made.


This leads me to assume, rightly or wrongly


Wow, you must be a psychic to make all of those assumptions!


May be I am wrong and you are just completely ignorant of the real world in which many of us live.


"Real world"? Which world is that?


Either way, this is not about race, this is about sustainability.


Race doesn't exist, I don't understand why you guys keep bringing it up. Also, where were you guys when your country went to war, depleting millions of dollars, for no apparent reason?! NOWHERE?! Where were you guys when the banks got bailed out?! NOWHERE!!! Yet here you are, arguing about sustainability...How's that cognitive dissonance working for you?


I see public services in chaos, housing shortage, NHS and Police falling apart and an ever increase in people coming here, many who do not have any intention to contribute or be anything other than from their country of origin.


BLAME THE FOREIGNERS!!! ow wait, no, that's too see-through! BLAME THE GOVERNMENT!!! Sorry, not buying it.


When the SHTF, these people can head home, we can't.


Is that really what you think?


I never believe a published stat, ever.


O_O


I have seen first hand the manipulation of stats and data to create the required result.


Well DUH.


You think its way out of proportion? What evidence do you have to suggest this?


ERMMMM 6500 refugees compared to a population of 4.6 million. And of all places on Earth, it's AUSTRALIA! You guys have more empty space than occupied space, get to work will you!

blah blah blah


I live in Britain not Australia.

Why are you so caught up in history? It was the past, nobody who lived through slavery is alive today to tell the tale, nobody in a dozen generations experienced it and for the most part it was whites who helped end slavery, whites who helped brake down the boundaries of colour. You keep going on about history as if its justified that if white people in their own countries get treated like rubbish, that is fair, that is how the world works. It's easy to condemn the past with centuries of wisdom and knowledge, but the past is alien to us, times were different, people were different.

That is not how the world works today, that is how evil minds rationalise discrimination and hatred, minds like yours. There is no telling you and I won't post in this thread anymore as people like you can only go on about history and label when you have no access to factual information. You make out that you are a good guy who stands up for the Human race, ignorant of the different people in the world, you say there is one race, that itself is an ignorant statement. As much as we all would love that to be true, Humans have a very primitive tribal mentality that will always remain, from a local level to a national level and to ignore it is by definition, ignorant.

However this is not about race or the past, it is about the present and the future and to say that its fine if we get get turned over because of what happened 200 years ago shows a very twisted mentality.

You will wake up when you're older and hopefully wiser. Nothing you have said holds any truth, it is strictly opinion and you have a right to your opinion, what worries me is that you truly believe it. Thankfully your type is on the decline. All races can live together, but different cultures will always clash. It shocks me that you are so wrapped up in history you seemed to have forgotten that simple historical fact. Multiculturalism always leads to conflict.



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by daaskapital

Originally posted by InfoKartel
reply to post by daaskapital
 



We only mention that because when you call someone racist, it is going against your supposed beliefs of "we are all one race."


No it does not. I know it's hard to understand logic and reason when you're filled to the brim by arguments that stem from nothing but pure hate. I understand you have no interest to look where your arguments stem from, I understand that because you don't understand history you are repeating it.

If you believe there are more than 1 races and you believe in the superiority of one over the other; You are a racist.

Now, it doesn't matter if I believe there to be one race, and that is the human race, to call a supremacist a racist. Because they perceive more races. That is their belief. Their superiority complex leads them to believe what they believe. What they or you believe has no reflection on me calling you or them out!

How is this hard to understand?


There are so many holes in your argument it is just pointless for you to continue. So tell me, what is your motive for trying to shut us all up?


I don't want to shut you all up. In fact, I don't WANT anything from you. If you would be kind enough though to stop discriminating it would be nice. And would you please stop spreading all the bullcrap about immigrants/crime, and blown-out-of-proportion immigration numbers, because your political party pushes you to do these things? Or maybe your racist parents pushed you to these things? It's creating additional problems for YOURSELF and god forbid you share(indoctrinate) your xenophobic beliefs with your children, perpetuating the circle of ignorance.

In fact, I'll prove I don't want you to shut up. Say anything you wish, you won't see me respond in this nonsense thread any longer. Simple logic isn't reaching you, anything above that is only confusing you it seems...so bye-bye.
edit on 25-4-2012 by InfoKartel because: (no reason given)


Thank you for the reply.

Firstly, i believe there are many races. The humans are a species, with races. Believing that there are more than 1 race does not make one racist. All races are equal.

Secondly, a rise of immigrants of 34% annually is quite significant, and when crimes like robberies and assaults rise from the immigrants whom are immigrating, what is one supposed to think?

Yes, you will leave now because we successfully destroyed and picked apart your weak argument for what ever agenda you may have had.


Totally agree, but InfoKartel is on another planet. He probably is from a rich family, I should imagine he is young with little real life exeprience. He will learn, I've seen plenty like him and all have changed their minds as I said they would and so will he. His kind argue in a very weak way and are all about finger pointing and historical perspective. That kind of person is easy to destroy in an argument, but sometimes its best to save your breath.

As I said, his type in on the decline, even in students who generally can have a very liberal mindset due to their lack of real world experience and rightly so. They should enjoy it while they can. It does worry me that in the UK the voting age is 18, I think you should work before you can vote!

Star for you by the way!
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posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 12:06 PM
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Originally posted by InfoKartel
It's YOU who is trying to silence me by uttering racist diatribe. Yes it is racist, even if you don't know it.

Also, how does it feel to be intellectually inferior to a "foreigner"? I bet it grinds your gears huh.


The days of being able to stop people raising legitimate concerns by playing the racism card are over. You are a dinosaur and don't even realise it.


In a poll of 5,042 British people they expressed the opinion

• We should stop all immigration permanently 18%
• We should stop all immigration until the economy improves 16%
• We should only allow in skilled immigrants who will help the economy 39%
• We should only allow in skilled and unskilled immigrants who will help the economy 22%
• We should allow all types of immigration 5%

Populus


95% of British people disagree with you.

Your days are over. You are just so out of touch that you don't even know it.




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posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 12:17 PM
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Originally posted by daaskapital
A rise of immigrants of 34% annually is quite significant, and when crimes like robberies and assaults rise from the immigrants whom are immigrating, what is one supposed to think?


As if proof was needed here is a TV news report from Norway proving your point.

Norway: ALL Sexual Assaults ending in Rape commited by Non-Westerners






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posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 12:48 PM
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You can call it what you want, but when you make statements like this


And they have no clue how it is to be smarter and more productive than 99.9% of the "white people" they encounter,


The rest of the world calls it arrogant racism.

And then the rest of your reply basically goes on to demonstrate levels of ignorance that can only be achieved by considerable effort. Clearly you see all white people as evil, and all actions of Western nations as evil.

You don't know who the elites are? Can't find a dictionary? Just look above you to see who is holding the strings.

European culture is every bit as valid of connected, distinct culture as Chinese culture, and if you knew anything about the world you would know that.

If you had any understanding of history, you would know that people of European descent are among the least likely of people to have ever owned slaves, as slavery was only practiced in Europe for a very short time, and only in limited areas of N. America. If you are from Africa or the Middle East, odds are much higher that your ancestors owned slaves, as slavery was very integral to the culture.

In fact, it was the British who ended the practice of slavery around the world. Just another one of those accomplishments that you will never recognize.

My ancestors never owned slaves, so I don't have to make that claim about not being responsible for deeds of my ancestors.

Everyone's ancestors engaged in wars and conquest, the difference between what Europeans achieved and the rest of the world is that Europeans actually fought for and succeeded in gaining their freedoms, while the rest of the world still struggles to achieve that goal.

So yeah, us whites do have the right to celebrate the accomplishment of our ancestors in making this a far better world, and have no guilt whatsoever, for our ancestors doing what everyone else's ancestors were also doing back in the day.

But hey, unlimited migration only opens the door to re-colonization. If you bothered to pay attention, you would see that the Arabs are slowly grinding away at taking over Africa and completely replacing its native population. The way it looks right now, the only people who can save Africans are Europeans.



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 12:56 PM
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In all honesty if any Country should have Immigrants its Oz because the Continent is huge enough to house them.... as for England.... well, its full up!!!

But even that isnt stopping them from wanting to come here.... why? The Economy isnt even any good right now... there are no jobs but there is a benefit system and human rights laws which gets abused big time by people like Qatada and Hamza....



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 01:05 PM
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Overwhelming majority of these people immigrating are not in immidiate danger, they just want a better life, but would not die in their home countries if not allowed to immigrate. Those who are really in danger cannot afford to immigrate.


More accurately, how many of the people who are immigrating were those in positions of power doing most of the misdeeds in the countries they came from? What are the odds that we are allowing many of the worst from third world nations to migrate into our neighborhoods.

A large percentage of immigrants are or were elites within the countries they came from, do not embrace a belief in a classless society, and like to think of themselves as superior to average people in their new nations.

Basically like InfoKartel, who desperately needs to cling to the delusion of his or her superiority over whites.



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 04:50 PM
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Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
In all honesty if any Country should have Immigrants its Oz because the Continent is huge enough to house them.... as for England.... well, its full up!!!

But even that isnt stopping them from wanting to come here.... why? The Economy isnt even any good right now... there are no jobs but there is a benefit system and human rights laws which gets abused big time by people like Qatada and Hamza....


Riiiiight because most of my country isn't made up of harsh, unforgiving, dry desert.



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 07:39 PM
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Originally posted by Garfee

Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
In all honesty if any Country should have Immigrants its Oz because the Continent is huge enough to house them.... as for England.... well, its full up!!!

But even that isnt stopping them from wanting to come here.... why? The Economy isnt even any good right now... there are no jobs but there is a benefit system and human rights laws which gets abused big time by people like Qatada and Hamza....


Riiiiight because most of my country isn't made up of harsh, unforgiving, dry desert.


If enough money was invested, it could be terraformed to a more hospitable environment.



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 07:40 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by InfoKartel
 


You can call it what you want, but when you make statements like this


And they have no clue how it is to be smarter and more productive than 99.9% of the "white people" they encounter,


The rest of the world calls it arrogant racism.

And then the rest of your reply basically goes on to demonstrate levels of ignorance that can only be achieved by considerable effort. Clearly you see all white people as evil, and all actions of Western nations as evil.

You don't know who the elites are? Can't find a dictionary? Just look above you to see who is holding the strings.

European culture is every bit as valid of connected, distinct culture as Chinese culture, and if you knew anything about the world you would know that.

If you had any understanding of history, you would know that people of European descent are among the least likely of people to have ever owned slaves, as slavery was only practiced in Europe for a very short time, and only in limited areas of N. America. If you are from Africa or the Middle East, odds are much higher that your ancestors owned slaves, as slavery was very integral to the culture.

In fact, it was the British who ended the practice of slavery around the world. Just another one of those accomplishments that you will never recognize.

My ancestors never owned slaves, so I don't have to make that claim about not being responsible for deeds of my ancestors.

Everyone's ancestors engaged in wars and conquest, the difference between what Europeans achieved and the rest of the world is that Europeans actually fought for and succeeded in gaining their freedoms, while the rest of the world still struggles to achieve that goal.

So yeah, us whites do have the right to celebrate the accomplishment of our ancestors in making this a far better world, and have no guilt whatsoever, for our ancestors doing what everyone else's ancestors were also doing back in the day.

But hey, unlimited migration only opens the door to re-colonization. If you bothered to pay attention, you would see that the Arabs are slowly grinding away at taking over Africa and completely replacing its native population. The way it looks right now, the only people who can save Africans are Europeans.



Well done, at least you finally admitted you were a lowlife racist.
FYI it was also the british who started slavery, i guess that simple fact somehow flew over your head?

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posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 08:13 PM
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Originally posted by IpsissimusMagus

Originally posted by OhZone
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Yes, those coneheads are very interesting.
For my rendition of what they looked like see: www.the-oh-zone.com...


Why would you make them all with blonde hair and blue eyes?

Caucasian styled hair and facial features?

That'a not really your typical native indigent of Peru.

Why do you also portray every Egyptian Pharoh with blonde hair and blue eyes?
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Those coneheads are not peruvian indians. They are possible the tall blue-eyed blonds that were considered to be Gods.
The evidence says that these Pharaohs were blonde or red-haired.

www.burlingtonnews.net...

www.rhesusnegative.net...



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 10:24 PM
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Well done, at least you finally admitted you were a lowlife racist.
FYI it was also the british who started slavery, i guess that simple fact somehow flew over your head?


Yeah right! NOT.

How did you make it into college without knowing anything about history? Do you plan on remaining this ignorant all your life?

The Brits were very, very late to the slave trade, and among the fist to get out of it.

If you really want to learn something about history, look at who imported lots and lots of slaves from Africa, and wonder why they don't have a black population in their midst, and find out why.



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 11:23 PM
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Despite what the Speilberg movie said, the slave trade was run by Jews not christians. It was no coincidence that Newport rhode island had the highest Jewish population, oldest synagogue and was the center of the US slave trade. Same goes with other countries. Its written about in the jewish encyclopedia. Getting off topic though sorry



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 03:31 AM
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Totally agree, but InfoKartel is on another planet. He probably is from a rich family, I should imagine he is young with little real life exeprience.


As I said, I've been a refugee from the earliest of ages. There is no monetary wealth in that nor is there a lack of life experience in that. While you were playing with barbie dolls I was already reading books you picked up a decade later, if even. Like I said, you are the intellectually inferior ones EVEN while you had all the cards dealt to you. You guys do not know what culture is and have all admitted to being racists or at least bigots in one way or another, enjoy living a fruitless life.



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 03:43 AM
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Originally posted by guiseppo
i agree, i live in Newcastle and ALOT of sudanese families have been moved into my suburb (and surrounding suburbs) over the last few years. It wouldnt be a bad thing in my book at all but they all seem to keep to themselves and don't mix in with society, i dont see many of them with jobs and alot of the young boys get around drunk roaming the streets in big groups at night. I've also heard of instances of some of them robbing people and pulling knives on them, but nothing happens or changes....whaddaya do?!




I dont know....have you tried inviting them in? Im not being a msartsas..I really mean it...have you?

I saw recently a respected member of a certain community 'negotiated a truce' between two rival 'newly arirved' gangs and has started a movement for the same among US gangs as well..it only took one guy..with balls..to decide to DO something rather than sit quiet and live in fear.

We cant avoid the macro let alone micro consequences of our actions..and our actions and tolerance of capitalism has contributed to leaving much of the African contiant devoid of communities and with the subsequent decent into violence, devoid of peace and reason...that we do take on devestated groups is a good thing..but we have to be strong enough..right enough if you like..to do more than shove them in a house and ignore them..we have to embrace them..include them..adn yes..expect of them...that tjhey do hold to the law etc...as 'everyone ' here is under the same law...and if they dont want to be embraced..then we have to leave them be and heal in their own time..if they want to commit crime..we deal with that ' as normal' as well.

Everyone 'feared' the 'wogs' from Greece, Italy and Asia in much the same way as these groups from Sudan now....and eventually..they did integrate and became the society we have today..we owe very much of what we see around us today thanks to that ongoing process of integration..it isnt an event.

There are always going to be criminals and people who simply wont join into society or groups of community...how we respond to that matters...and there are better ways than fearing it.

just imo..Ive not been a victim of a Sudanese gang..so I cant speak for others..

Ro.



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