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posted on Apr, 24 2012 @ 10:26 PM
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Originally posted by Echtelion
I notified the mods already and I invite any member with a minimum of intelligence to report it as well (in the "ALERT" function, below the poster's ID). Unless you want ATS to be known worldwide as a platform for white supremacist fanatics à la Anders Breivik, or just for the spreading of ignorance and racial prejudice, but I'll do anything to keep it from this!


Members such as yourself are only embracing ignorance by taking part in such childish behaviour. As soon as you are met with arguments you strongly oppose, you are quick to shout "racist white extremist!" so that you can silence the debate and hope the issue goes away.




posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 12:31 AM
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Originally posted by Dark Ghost

Originally posted by Echtelion
I notified the mods already and I invite any member with a minimum of intelligence to report it as well (in the "ALERT" function, below the poster's ID). Unless you want ATS to be known worldwide as a platform for white supremacist fanatics à la Anders Breivik, or just for the spreading of ignorance and racial prejudice, but I'll do anything to keep it from this!


Members such as yourself are only embracing ignorance by taking part in such childish behaviour. As soon as you are met with arguments you strongly oppose, you are quick to shout "racist white extremist!" so that you can silence the debate and hope the issue goes away.


And as soon as someone says something pro immigration, most of ats yells anti white or some other bs.
i swear The majority of ats members are paid members on stormfront and vnnforum deny it all you want, but you people foam at the mouth in joy when you log in on stormfront.

Im a devout believer in open borders which is why i hate that damn idiot ron paul you people rave on about.
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posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 01:06 AM
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If you are an advocate of open boarders that is fine and you are entitled to your opinion. However, that doesn't give you the right to call other people racists and stormfront members just because they do not agree with you. Why can't you debate the issue instead of resorting to petty name calling when people do not share your views?



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 03:48 AM
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You prove yourself to be just another elitist racist, with a big ego and a big chip on your shoulder.


No, it's called reflection.


You throw around words like "exploit" and "rape", not realizing that you were programmed to believe this stuff, ignorant of the real history


Really? So far what I've learned in this thread is if you liken racist ideologies it makes you a racist. I know, who needs logic right?! As long as we can point to a group of immigrants and shout as loud as we can about our problems...who knows...maybe they will admit to causing all of them!


and play completely into the hands of the elites whose goal is to stir up racism and hatred.


Who are THESE ELITES? You guys are flipping delusional and you can't even see it.


You are serving those very same people looking to rape and exploit us all, while ignoring the majority who seek to do good things for humanity.


WHAT?! Get real will ya.


Then maybe you will realize what European culture has given to the world.


You said something about elite? Well here is YOUR attitude right in front of you in your own words. I think you're very ignorant of many parts of the world and much of their history, that's why you're stuck with ideas of supremacy when there is none. Oh and by the way, there is NO EUROPEAN CULTURE(that's you playing into the cards of the EU who are trying to make people say European culture stuff, as if it was ever real). Read history before saying bullcrap like that.


Nobody here is completely against immigration, they just want to keep it down to a manageable level.


That's nonsense and you know it. By manageable they mean to pick and choose what people they want to let in, and so far it seems to be only those who are willing to grovel and look up and thank the great big european for something that european is not even responsible for, but the forefathers of the forefathers of that european. That doesn't mean that YOU are responsible for the freedoms just as much as it means that you are not responsible for slavery and whatnot.


At the same time they would like to see third world nations develop to the point where they are safe and desirable places to live.


And the best way to do that is invade these countries and blow 'em to bits. Right, and you're telling me about history.




A vast majority of the people, including the people on this thread, would like to see third world nations develop into first world nations, with liberty and justice for all.


LA LA LAND.


A small percentage of the people on this planet want to eliminate the rights of the commoner, enabling them to exploit everyone everywhere. By serving up your particular form of prejudice, you serve those who seek to exploit.


And this, children, we call cognitive dissonance. Last time I checked, there weren't a few people in your military.



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 04:14 AM
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Actually considering that you and your anti-Western politically correct views are greatly in the minority on the thread


Anti-Western?! That's as idiotic a statement as you can make towards me, but then again, who cares about facts right?!

Just like you right now are pointing towards immigrants and certain politicians and saying; "hey they are wrong!" then for you to point to the same politicians and say: "Hey, listen to what they are saying!"...

It's really backwards.

Ow and another Youtube educational video? Do you really want me to go and look at who created the video, maybe take a peek at the channel, the sources, and bring to light what a racist doctrine that person wants to share with us...? Or will you just take my word for it?



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 04:29 AM
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Originally posted by InfoKartel
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Actually considering that you and your anti-Western politically correct views are greatly in the minority on the thread


Anti-Western?! That's as idiotic a statement as you can make towards me, but then again, who cares about facts right?!


Perhaps a more adequate statement to call you is an intellectually retarded individual whom has an agenda and is trying to silence members of this thread by using the race card.

It is not working and you should just give up.



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 04:40 AM
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You are still conflating two different completely unrelated things (which is a logical fallacy) - opposition against mass immigration, and support for the western rape and imperialism in the so called third world.

Guess what, there are people who oppose both, and there is no cognitive dissonance in doing so. I fully acknowledge that the west is damaging those countries, but I fail to see how allowing mass immigration would fix it. The only thing that would fix it is stopping the imperialism itself. Allowing mass immigration actually damages this cause, because instead of people being motivated to fight the oppression (as we were during socialist dictatorship), they can just run away.

Stop with the strawmans.



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 04:41 AM
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Perhaps a more adequate statement to call you is an intellectually retarded individual whom has an agenda and is trying to silence members of this thread by using the race card.


I'm pretty much arguing against a wall of you "intellectually superior" people (chuckles). It's YOU who is trying to silence me by uttering racist diatribe. Yes it is racist, even if you don't know it. How that is possible? Maybe research the source of the arguments you are using and educate yourself.

Also, how does it feel to be intellectually inferior to a "foreigner"? I bet it grinds your gears huh.



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 04:46 AM
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I see not racists in this thread. Cultural supremacists? Maybe. But no racists. Noone argues that they dont want immigrants because of the color of their skin.



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 04:48 AM
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You are still conflating two different completely unrelated things (which is a logical fallacy) - opposition against mass immigration, and support for the western rape and imperialism in the so called third world.


If you really ARE that ignorant about the workings of the world and the balance of life, then of course you believe they are totally unrelated things. It's apparent in your arguments! But that's not the case and until you understand that it's not, you'll keep chasing your tail.


Guess what, there are people who oppose both, and there is no cognitive dissonance in doing so. I fully acknowledge that the west is damaging those countries, but I fail to see how allowing mass immigration would fix it.


And here is where you are part of the problem. There is no quick-fix like sheltered people have grown accustomed to. There is no remote control to turn the problem off like your tv-sets. There is cause and effect. And "mass" immigration has a couple of factors you bigots fail to understand, even though it has been mentioned in this thread; Technology and how it has made travel easy.


The only thing that would fix it is stopping the imperialism itself. Allowing mass immigration actually damages this cause, because instead of people being motivated to fight the oppression (as we were during socialist dictatorship), they can just run away.


Wow, you have it all figured out huh? The world is not as black and white as you make it out to be. If it wasn't for immigration millions more would have died and been imprisoned, and you can't tell me that the imperialism would stop. Hell no. If those people stayed in a war zone...with their women and children as you want it to be, to fight, who would sell their governments weapons?!


Stop with the strawmans.


That would be your team's doings. I even brought immigration stats for Queensland and Australia to the table, related them to each other and found the opinions of the bigots in this thread to be way out of proportion.



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 04:51 AM
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Originally posted by Maslo
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I see not racists in this thread. Cultural supremacists? Maybe. But no racists. Noone argues that they dont want immigrants because of the color of their skin.


Oh so the new word for racist is cultural supremacist? That's funny. Because most western people and countries don't even know what culture means, let alone for them to practice a culture. Yet they want to be so authoritative about other peoples' cultures...maybe hints of jealousy?



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 05:15 AM
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Disliking another culture has nothing to do with racism. You can be against Spanish culture, Italian culture or Danish culture without being labelled a racist. Why can't one be against Sudanese culture without being labelled a racist?

That's a pretty big assumption on your part about Western countries not knowing what culture means. There is plenty of culture in Western countries, it's just that because of multiculturalism it is harder to find compared to other countries that are not as generous with their intake of immigrants.



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 05:22 AM
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That's a pretty big assumption on your part about Western countries not knowing what culture means. There is plenty of culture in Western countries, it's just that because of multiculturalism it is harder to find compared to other countries that are not as generous with their intake of immigrants.


Dude, I know what I'm talking about. How is the culture of your country present in your every day life? Because unless you practice it every day, there is no culture to speak of. A few people painted some stuff, molded a few statues that are in museums across the globe. That's part of a culture. But where is the rest of the culture?

And generosity usually has little to do with immigration. If you lived next to a country being ravaged by war you'd speak differently. Sadly, you have never been there nor have you read into the numbers, so you keep spouting nonsense while pretending to say something.



posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 05:29 AM
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posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 05:31 AM
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If you really ARE that ignorant about the workings of the world and the balance of life, then of course you believe they are totally unrelated things. It's apparent in your arguments! But that's not the case and until you understand that it's not, you'll keep chasing your tail.


They are unrelated, since one can independently support/oppose both without being logicall inconsistent. As you said, the world is not black and white. You seem to think there are only two groups of people - those who oppose all immigration controls, and racists who support western imperialism. Thats black and white thinking right there.



And here is where you are part of the problem. There is no quick-fix like sheltered people have grown accustomed to. There is no remote control to turn the problem off like your tv-sets.


Your point? Even if there was no quick fix, how does it imply that opposing mas immigration and western imperialism is logically inconsistent?



And "mass" immigration has a couple of factors you bigots fail to understand, even though it has been mentioned in this thread; Technology and how it has made travel easy.


Yes, technology enabled mass immigration. How does it imply it should be supported then? Technology also enabled nuclear bombs.



Wow, you have it all figured out huh? The world is not as black and white as you make it out to be. If it wasn't for immigration millions more would have died and been imprisoned, and you can't tell me that the imperialism would stop. Hell no. If those people stayed in a war zone...with their women and children as you want it to be, to fight, who would sell their governments weapons?!


I never said imperialism would stop, I said there would be bigger motivation to fight it.

Overwhelming majority of these people immigrating are not in immidiate danger, they just want a better life, but would not die in their home countries if not allowed to immigrate. Those who are really in danger cannot afford to immigrate.



Oh so the new word for racist is cultural supremacist? That's funny. Because most western people and countries don't even know what culture means, let alone for them to practice a culture. Yet they want to be so authoritative about other peoples' cultures...maybe hints of jealousy?


You obviously dont know anything about western culture. And by your own definition, you are a racist against white people.
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posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 05:33 AM
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posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 05:36 AM
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Originally posted by Dark Ghost
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If you are an advocate of open boarders that is fine and you are entitled to your opinion. However, that doesn't give you the right to call other people racists and stormfront members just because they do not agree with you. Why can't you debate the issue instead of resorting to petty name calling when people do not share your views?



Lol serously?
Ron paul is a complete idiot, against open borders, gay marriage, and so many other silly things this guy is a total loon.

Up untill a decade after WW1, no one needed passports, or papers to immigrate, this is a very new concept, people were able to freely immigrate where they wished.

[SNIP]

 


Please refrain from attacking fellow members. Civility is expected at all times.
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posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 06:01 AM
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reply to post by Hecate666 Well, you obviously are a racist since there are enough good examples to focus on, yet you focus your attention on the negative aspects. Either you're a depressive pessimist or you're a racist. Either way, it doesn't look good for you. Enjoy being a political to


There you go. You just called me a racist without knowing me or my friends. What does it feel like to be like that and what does it make you to put an insult to someone you don't even know? Is that not some kind of -ism?
Hypocrites, I don't like them.
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posted on Apr, 25 2012 @ 06:03 AM
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Again you show that you cannot debate the topic so you resort to name calling and labelling. I actually feel great pity for you; you are a sad individual. Please go out there and get the help you need.



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