Who are the Fascists?

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posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 03:58 PM
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Let me add to that......


...The Fascist State organizes the nation, but leaves a sufficient margin of liberty to the individual; the latter is deprived of all useless and possibly harmful freedom, but retains what is essential; the deciding power in this question cannot be the individual, but the State alone....



But empire demands discipline, the coordination of all forces and a deeply felt sense of duty and sacrifice: this fact explains many aspects of the practical working of the regime, the character of many forces in the State, and the necessarily severe measures which must be taken against those who would oppose this spontaneous and inevitable movement of Italy in the twentieth century, and would oppose it by recalling the outworn ideology of the nineteenth century



Fascism, the more it considers and observes the future and the development of humanity quite apart from political considerations of the moment, believes neither in the possibility nor the utility of perpetual peace. It thus repudiates the doctrine of Pacifism -- born of a renunciation of the struggle and an act of cowardice in the face of sacrifice. War alone brings up to its highest tension all human energy and puts the stamp of nobility upon the peoples who have courage to meet it. All other trials are substitutes, which never really put men into the position where they have to make the great decision -- the alternative of life or death


What is Fascism, 1932

Goes hand in hand,in what we have today.




posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 03:58 PM
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Originally posted by neo96

Fascism (play /ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a radical authoritarian nationalist political ideology.[1][2] Fascists seek rejuvenation of their nation based on commitment to an organic national community where its individuals are united together as one people in national identity by suprapersonal connections of ancestry, culture, and blood through a totalitarian single-party state that seeks the mass mobilization of a nation through discipline, indoctrination, physical education, and eugenics.[3][4


One party claims there are good Americans.


Fascism seeks to purify the nation of foreign influences that are deemed to be causing degeneration of the nation or of not fitting into the national culture.[5]


One party is anti immigration.


Fascism promotes political violence and war, as forms of direct action that create national regeneration, spirit and vitality.


One party started two wars the last time they were in power. This same party set up free speach zones and there is pleanty of footage of them pepper spraying protestors for not agreeing with there party line. This same party outed a American spy because there spouse didn't support the lies this government was telling the American people. This same party funded faith based inititives.


Fascists commonly utilize paramilitary organizations for violence against opponents or to overthrow a political system.[


This party used Blackwater, a para militay private army in real war situations.


Fascism opposes multiple ideologies: conservatism, liberalism, and two major forms of socialism—communism and social democracy.[8]


This party also blames all of the problems of America on liberals even though these same fascist have been in countol of the country for the majority of the last 30 years.


Fascism claims to represent a synthesis of cohesive ideas previously divided between traditional political ideologies.[9] To achieve its goals, the fascist state purges forces, ideas, people, and systems deemed to be the cause of decadence and degeneration.[1


This party has labled Muslims and Islam as enemies of our union, and your either with us or against us. They even labled the wars they started as crusades.


The fascist party is a vanguard party designed to initiate a revolution from above and to organize the nation upon fascist principles.[11] The fascist party and state is led by a supreme leader who exercises a dictatorship over the party, the government and other state institutions.


George W. Bush attempted the ten steps to fascism described in the Naomi Wolf movie posted in this thread, but was unsuccessful.


Fascism rejects liberal democracy based upon majority rule and the parliamentary system but fascists deny that they are against democracy as a whole.[


Free speach zones. They attacked us because of our liberties. Look at all supreme court decisions since Bush's appointees.


Fascism condemns liberal democracy for basing government legitimacy on quantity rather than quality, and for causing quarreling partisan politics.


Look at the congress right wingers voted for in 2010 and look and see what they have acomplished.


Fascists claim that their ideology is a trans-class movement, advocating resolution to domestic class conflict within a nation to secure national solidarity.[15] It claims that its goal of social nationalization of society emancipates the nation's proletariat, and promotes the assimilation of all classes into proletarian national culture.[15] While fascism opposes domestic class conflict, fascism believes that bourgeois-proletarian conflict primarily exists in national conflict between proletarian nations versus bourgeois nations; fascism declares support for the victory of proletarian nations.[16]


Tax cuts for the wealthy, the futher disparity of the rich and poor.


Fascists advocate a state-directed, regulated economy that is dedicated to the nation; the use and primacy of regulated private property and private enterprise contingent upon service to the nation, the use of state enterprise where private enterprise is failing or is inefficient, and autarky. It supports criminalization of strikes by employees and lockouts by employers because it deems these acts as prejudicial to the national community.[17]


Look at what the right is attempting to do to unions accross the country. Look at the actions of the right and they are following complete fascisms and this thread is a sick joke!


en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 03:59 PM
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reply to post by neo96
 


Sorry my friend, that one no one can "spin". Listen to it. Read the transcripts if you need.



posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 03:59 PM
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The military is used as a tool for national rejuvenation (ahem... Iraq.. Afghanistan..) and is an integral part of a Fascist's economy (Military industrial complex)


Pakistan,Yemen,Uganda,Libya,Somalia. you say tomato i say to mot to under the guise of liberal progress,



posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 04:01 PM
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Nice deflection your welcome to that view oh silly me now would a fascist say that since i am the evil right winger?



posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 04:02 PM
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Originally posted by intrepid
reply to post by beezzer
 


I know, it's Clinton but he makes a good point:


Bill Clinton – as quoted by senior White House reporter Sarah McClendon in reply to why he wasn’t doing anything about UFO disclosure.

Sarah, there’s a government inside the government, and I don’t control it.


www.hillaryclintonufo.net...



He may be correct. Really, there is nothing we (the little people) can do about the elite. They will bend with the winds, adjust how they make money, gain power and influence.

The part of government that does concern me is the government that directly impacts me.

The more impositions, freedoms taken away, the more that I'm affected and will fight against.



posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 04:02 PM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by LDragonFire
 


Fascism is actually a far left ideology.. the three main branches of Left ideology are Fascism, Communism and Socialism.

Unlike the OP I view the "moderate" Neoconservatives and the "moderate" Democrats as being Fascist.. Fascism has more to do with blending corporate and government goals together and working as one towards a common end: Controlling the population. The military is used as a tool for national rejuvenation (ahem... Iraq.. Afghanistan..) and is an integral part of a Fascist's economy (Military industrial complex)

Fascism requires a very strong central government to provide in much the same way as a Socialist country, only it may do so through corporatized means (Obamacare.. health insurance industry etc) that will have a very strong relationship with the Federal Government.


We agree that fascism is a blending or corporations and government, this makes fascism being a left ideology a fallacy.



posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 04:03 PM
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read on here.....
www.abovetopsecret.com...





posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by LDragonFire


We agree that fascism is a blending or corporations and government, this makes fascism being a left ideology a fallacy.


Really?

Is that why we "bailed out" General Motors,under a "liberal" President?

I use bailed out,liberally......




posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 04:04 PM
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How do you figure?

Coporate fascism increase in the last 3 years and has included the other end for decades with the unions fascists are always in bed with unions.

something those evil right wingers aren't and will never be.



posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 04:06 PM
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Well do tell how do you explain the last 3 years with the Ndaa,Sopa and others plus the increased gestappo actions of the TSA.

Which was not around ten years ago?



posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 04:06 PM
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"Too big to fail"

The "NEW" Fascist motto.



posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 04:10 PM
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Forgot the patriot act the right wingers are famous for but under the last 3 years it's power has been increased

the antithesis of liberlism and the eptiomy of fascism.



posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
He may be correct. Really, there is nothing we (the little people) can do about the elite. They will bend with the winds, adjust how they make money, gain power and influence.

The part of government that does concern me is the government that directly impacts me.

The more impositions, freedoms taken away, the more that I'm affected and will fight against.


That's my point Beez. It doesn't matter who's in "power". You see what's happening today. What about yesterday? The Patriot Acts. You can vote but does that matter in the Grand Scheme of THEIRS? What other avenues are there?



posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by LDragonFire
 


All pollitical ideology shares ideals and views the article said that.

Fascism draws from communism and socialism and marxism.


No they are completely different systems. Just because you can see vague similarities it doesn't mean they have anything to do with each other.

Fascism supports both nationalism, state ownership, and private ownership of the means of production, capitalism. It is heavily state authoritative, the exact opposite of socialism. Even in state socialism the workers own the means of production, which stops the state having ultimate power through economic control, so the workers have the control not the state.

Socialism is worker ownership of the means of production. Marxism calls for temporary nationalization, which would be abolished once production is increased to meet everyone's needs. But not all socialism is Marxism. Anarchists appose nationalization, and want direct action to bring about a socialist economy.

The ultimate goal of all left-wing ideologies is free-association...


In the anarchist, Marxist and socialist sense, free association (also called free association of producers or, as Marx often called it, community of freely associated individuals) is a kind of relation between individuals where there is no state, social class or authority, in a society that has abolished the private property of means of production. Once private property is abolished, individuals are no longer deprived of access to means of production so they can freely associate themselves (without social constraint) to produce and reproduce their own conditions of existence and fulfill their needs and desires.

en.wikipedia.org...

The goal of the fascists is complete control of the economy by the state.


An inherent aspect of fascist economies was economic dirigisme, meaning an economy where the government exerts strong directive influence, and effectively controls production and allocation of resources. In general, apart from the nationalizations of some industries, fascist economies were based on private property and private initiative, but these were contingent upon service to the state. James A. Gregor, The Search for Neofascism: The Use and Abuse of Social Science, Cambridge University Press, 2006, p. 7


edit on 4/21/2012 by ANOK because: it's a commie take-over Harry



posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 04:14 PM
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That is actually incorrect. Facism is a form of Socialism mixed with nationalism. not conservatism. the Nazi, party were a socialist ideology, and that is fact I am afraid.

Take a look at this map I made of a new political spectrum theory. Not just you left and right, but think 3D

ATS - Key to free thinking



posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 04:15 PM
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Originally posted by JakiusFogg
reply to post by LDragonFire
 


That is actually incorrect. Facism is a form of Socialism mixed with nationalism. not conservatism. the Nazi, party were a socialist ideology, and that is fact I am afraid.

Take a look at this map I made of a new political spectrum theory. Not just you left and right, but think 3D

ATS - Key to free thinking


Fascist are racist, isn't racism Right wing?



posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 04:15 PM
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Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by beezzer
He may be correct. Really, there is nothing we (the little people) can do about the elite. They will bend with the winds, adjust how they make money, gain power and influence.

The part of government that does concern me is the government that directly impacts me.

The more impositions, freedoms taken away, the more that I'm affected and will fight against.


That's my point Beez. It doesn't matter who's in "power". You see what's happening today. What about yesterday? The Patriot Acts. You can vote but does that matter in the Grand Scheme of THEIRS? What other avenues are there?




Yes.

The major problem in America though is this. We have allowed it to happen.
Rightwingers are too blind to admit it. Leftwingers are too blind to admit it.

Patriots KNOW,whats happening.

This Administration is bringing us closer to full totalitarian Fascist control. We can provide link after link,on it. Video and firsthand account on it.

I,like Beez,will fight for my Country.



posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 04:18 PM
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The goal of the fascists is complete control of the economy by the state.


Decribes the last 3 years to a T everything from dictating ceo pay to sonnys too big to fail comment.



posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 04:19 PM
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Originally posted by LDragonFire
Fascist are racist, isn't racism Right wing?


Racism is a learned behavior that knows no political ideology. Usually learned from the parents. We seem to be evolving though. Not fast enough imo.





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