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posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 04:19 PM
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Originally posted by JakiusFogg
reply to post by LDragonFire
 


That is actually incorrect. Facism is a form of Socialism mixed with nationalism. not conservatism. the Nazi, party were a socialist ideology, and that is fact I am afraid.

Take a look at this map I made of a new political spectrum theory. Not just you left and right, but think 3D


No it isn't.

Fascism allows both state and private ownership, nationalization and capitalism.

Socialism is the workers ownership of the means of production. The complete opposite of fascism, and is why the socialist fought the fascists in Spain.

Fascism is a right wing system, socialism is a left-wing system.


The original political meanings of ‘left’ and ‘right’ have changed since their origin in the French estates general in 1789. There the people sitting on the left could be viewed as more or less anti-statists with those on the right being state-interventionists of one kind or another. In this interpretation of the pristine sense, libertarianism was clearly at the extreme left-wing.

www.la-articles.org.uk...




posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 04:19 PM
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Yep Travon Martin and Zimmerman is the latest example.

Hypenated Americans or segregation is another example,.



posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 04:19 PM
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The Patriot Act is beneath "them". Laws are beneath "them". What concerns "them" is continued profit.

That's it.

"They" can make money if another Pol Pot or Stalin were in charge. It matters not to them. It amuses them.

What we should concern ourselves with, is the "not them". The politicians, heads of state that can and do, impact our lives.

"They" could care less about elections. "They" are above that.

Side note; I once attended a party where some of "them" were present. Low level (gods and giants to us) "them" but "them" all the same. "They" operate on different plane than we do. Really.

Subsequently, our votes do count. It matters to us on our level.



posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 04:21 PM
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Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by LDragonFire
Fascist are racist, isn't racism Right wing?


Racism is a learned behavior that knows no political ideology. Usually learned from the parents. We seem to be evolving though. Not fast enough imo.


Has there been a Fascist government that was not racist? Neo Nazis are considered right wing? Am I not correct in this thinking?

Nazi Germany was a Fascist racist state was it not?

How can this thread among others blame left wing on all the messed up governing ideologies? Can you list good and bad right wing governments???



posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 04:23 PM
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Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by LDragonFire
Fascist are racist, isn't racism Right wing?


Racism is a learned behavior that knows no political ideology. Usually learned from the parents. We seem to be evolving though. Not fast enough imo.


Actually fascism supports Darwinism, survival of the fittest. This causes racism, because some races are considered inferior.

Fascism: The Bloody Ideology Of Darwinism



posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by LDragonFire


Has there been a Fascist government that was not racist?


Really......?






posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 04:25 PM
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How can this thread among others blame left wing on all the messed up governing ideologies? Can you list good and bad right wing governments???

Because modern liberalism in Ameircan whose face is liberalism poltical ideology "thinks that there is no problem Goverment can't solve".

Which leads to increased power and control and centralized governing the last 3 years is proof of ths never before in this nations history has the government had so much power and everything that power increases the citizens decreases.

Which leads to total authoritarian totalitarian rule the true form of liberalism if freedom.



posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 04:25 PM
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Fascism is not necessarily racists. they are different things. Even lift wing people can be racists. Look at the ethnic cleansing by the Soviet Regime. They killed even more "ethnics" than the nazis did.



posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 04:26 PM
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You know,Why does EVERY thread,have to devolve to race?



Peace



posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
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Well do tell how do you explain the last 3 years with the Ndaa,Sopa and others plus the increased gestappo actions of the TSA.

Which was not around ten years ago?


Please the last 3 years is not of my making, so please explain the last 30 years of majority conservative rule and the mess we are in today???? 8 years Reagan 4 years Bush I then 8 more years of Bush II thats 20 years of conservative values and leader ship compared to 8 years Clinton and 3 years Obama 11 years!!!!

20 years of right wing leadership compared to 11 years of liberals, how oh how can everything wrong with this country be the fault of liberals!!!!

Ar you implying that conservatives are incompetent, they have had twice the time to fix whats wrong, why haven't they???



posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 04:27 PM
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Actually fascism supports Darwinism, survival of the fittest. This causes racism, because some races are considered inferior.


Pretty fascist when a woman pops a pill or aborts a fetus after all it is "survival of the fittest" and then write laws to support that belief.

Eugenics by any other name.



posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 04:28 PM
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Originally posted by LDragonFire

How can this thread among others blame left wing on all the messed up governing ideologies? Can you list good and bad right wing governments???


I would argue there are no left-wing governments. All governments are about power, which is a right wing ideology.
So called left-wing governments are just more liberal right-wing.

Workers in the UK tried to form a left-wing revolutionary government when they formed the Labour Party in 1900, as a lobby group for workers interests. But it soon became clear, as the anarchists correctly predicted, power is power, and power corrupts even the most sincere person.

That is why anarchists call for direct action to bring about socialism, not the political route of the Marxists.

edit on 4/21/2012 by ANOK because: it's a commie take-over Harry



posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 04:28 PM
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Originally posted by LDragonFire
Has there been a Fascist government that was not racist?


Yugoslavia comes to mind. Under Tito, President for Life, racism was not an issue. Look at that region after he died.



posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 04:28 PM
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Originally posted by JakiusFogg
reply to post by LDragonFire
 


Fascism is not necessarily racists. they are different things. Even lift wing people can be racists. Look at the ethnic cleansing by the Soviet Regime. They killed even more "ethnics" than the nazis did.


Please provide a example of a Fascist government that was not racist.



posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 04:31 PM
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Originally posted by LDragonFire

Originally posted by JakiusFogg
reply to post by LDragonFire
 


Fascism is not necessarily racists. they are different things. Even lift wing people can be racists. Look at the ethnic cleansing by the Soviet Regime. They killed even more "ethnics" than the nazis did.


Please provide a example of a Fascist government that was not racist.


You did see the picture of the Ethiopian "Fascist" Youth...............






Again,WHY ARE YOU BRINGING RACE INTO IT?

There are a thousand threads ,if your looking to play the RACE card. Jesus..........................
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posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 04:34 PM
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Can we please cut the race bull-dooky. I'm with Sonny here.

We're supposed to be discussing how fascists are in power now and want to turn America into a fascist state!



posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 04:34 PM
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Your asking me to prove a negative. What I am saying is that racism is not explicit domain of fascism. The fascist ideaology does also exist on the left. Try to think more three dimensionally.



posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 04:34 PM
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Its gotta be exhausting coming up with these threads.
Has anybodys life changed with Obama in office?
Did he take your guns? Make your kids join the Black Panthers?
No? Well he's gonna..
Because it's always about what he's gonna do.
Even when it never happens .



posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 04:36 PM
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Agreed, IN my experience you will not find anyone more willing to suppress opinion of other people as willingly and forcefully as a socialist. After all that is what fascism does.


Fascism (play /ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a radical authoritarian nationalist political ideology.[1][2] Fascists seek rejuvenation of their nation based on commitment to an organic national community where its individuals are united together as one people in national identity by suprapersonal connections of ancestry, culture, and blood through a totalitarian single-party state that seeks the mass mobilization of a nation through discipline, indoctrination, physical education, and eugenics.[3][4] Fascism seeks to purify the nation of foreign influences that are deemed to be causing degeneration of the nation or of not fitting into the national culture.[5]
- Wikipedia

Sounds very much like Soviet Russia, or China now, no?

IN fact given the above explaination I think we could add Saudi Arabia to that list, at the very least/

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posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 04:37 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
Pretty fascist when a woman pops a pill or aborts a fetus after all it is "survival of the fittest" and then write laws to support that belief.

Eugenics by any other name.


Hmm are you trying to say that abortion is a left-wing ideology?

Abortion is a personal choice, nothing to do with politics. Left-wingers support personal freedoms. Only a fascist would tell you what to do with your own body.

My politics revolve around economy, not personal choices. Social issues have been politicized for someone else's agenda. Mostly to divide us.

You might not agree with abortion, but you have no right to force your beliefs on others.





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