Who are the Fascists?

Sounds like most mid eastern countries to me supreme leaders no rights

Originally posted by beezzer

"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under
the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist
program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without
knowing how it happened."

-Norman Thomas


I think this applies here as well.
(I've used this quote quite a bit in the past few years)

At what point do we call ourselves socialists? I don't think the U.S. has adopted the feverish national sense of identify that accompanies a socialist state, but we certainly administer social welfare programs with a socialist state-of-mind. I don't think this country is capable of cultural unity. There are too many agendas among the American people for all of us to unite under one flag.

if you want to find who the fashists are,
simply find WHO is writting legislation behind closed doors to profit from.
this could be left or right,
dem or repub

it is the people who write legislation for a corperate advantage.
NOT A POLITICAL IDEAL,

THEY CAN BE DESCRIBED AS THE 1%
AND THEY WANT YOU TO WASTE YOUR TIME BLAMING EVERYONE ELSE EXCEPT THEM
this argument is designed to give COVER for the REAL fashists

so argue away at which side is worst while ignoring the cause of fasism

corperate written, corperate bought, corperate seizure of the legislative process
FOR PROFIT OF A SMALL GROUP AT THE COST TO SOCIETY

XPLODER

Fascism is a radical authoritarian nationalist political ideology.

I don't see OWS waving American flags around and reciting the pledge of allegiance.

Fascism seeks to purify the nation of foreign influences that are deemed to be causing degeneration of the nation or of not fitting into the national culture.

Sounds more like voter ID and the purging of illegals from our lands. The terror at the thought of European social democracy too.

Fascism promotes political violence and war, as forms of direct action that create national regeneration, spirit and vitality.

How many leftists do you hear saying, 'The tree of liberty needs to be watered with the blood of tyrants?'

Fascists commonly utilize paramilitary organizations for violence against opponents or to overthrow a political system.

Dressing like militiamen and carrying around semi-automatic rifles to your Tea Party rallies is just...cosplay?

Fascism opposes multiple ideologies: conservatism, liberalism, and two major forms of socialism—communism and social democracy.

With the exception of modern American conservatism, which political movement is vehemently opposed to liberalism and any form of socialism in America? Is it OWS or the Tea Party?

Fascism claims to represent a synthesis of cohesive ideas previously divided between traditional political ideologies. To achieve its goals, the fascist state purges forces, ideas, people, and systems deemed to be the cause of decadence and degeneration.

Ban gay marriage! Don't say 'gay!' Kick out illegals! Drug test welfare recipients! Take our country 'back!'

The fascist party is a vanguard party designed to initiate a revolution from above and to organize the nation upon fascist principles. The fascist party and state is led by a supreme leader who exercises a dictatorship over the party, the government and other state institutions.

Who facilitated the organization of massive Tea Party and 9/12 rallies across the nation? Glenn Beck and the Koch brothers!

Fascism rejects liberal democracy based upon majority rule and the parliamentary system but fascists deny that they are against democracy as a whole.

We're a republic damn it! Who keeps saying that? Oh right, OW...no wait...

Fascism condemns liberal democracy for basing government legitimacy on quantity rather than quality, and for causing quarreling partisan politics.

Let's see, 'basing government legitimacy on quantity...' Who here is clamoring for smaller government? The movement in America today demanding we cut government to an inoperable size? They're not asking for more efficient government, they're asking for less and less government.

Fascists claim that their ideology is a trans-class movement, advocating resolution to domestic class conflict within a nation to secure national solidarity. It claims that its goal of social nationalization of society emancipates the nation's proletariat, and promotes the assimilation of all classes into proletarian national culture While fascism opposes domestic class conflict, fascism believes that bourgeois-proletarian conflict primarily exists in national conflict between proletarian nations versus bourgeois nations; fascism declares support for the victory of proletarian nations.

Oh yes, how many people declared they're not part of the 99% but part of the 100%? We're all Americans right? We can't have this class-warfare pitting Americans against Americans!

Fascists advocate a state-directed, regulated economy that is dedicated to the nation; the use and primacy of regulated private property and private enterprise contingent upon service to the nation, the use of state enterprise where private enterprise is failing or is inefficient, and autarky. It supports criminalization of strikes by employees and lockouts by employers because it deems these acts as prejudicial to the national community.

Regulate the economy? Yes. Criminalize worker strikes? No. That would be the radical Tea Party movement.

en.wikipedia.org...

So with reference to fascism while it is always associated to the right wing the simple fact is fascism :

Fascism is commonly described as "extreme right" although some writers have found placing fascism on a conventional left-right political spectrum difficult. There is a scholarly consensus that fascism was influenced by both left and right, conservative and anti-conservative, national and supranational, rational and anti-rational. A number of historians have regarded fascism either as a revolutionary centrist doctrine, as a doctrine which mixes philosophies of the left and the right, or as both of those things

So I guess we can agree to disagree, right?

Revolutionary centrist doctrine sounds like hope and change,progessives and how they achieve their goals.

Centrist is the new leftist?

Neither one of our parties are fascist. Not the republicans, not the democrats. We have a socialist party and a 'less socialist' party. Are parties are an artifact of coalitions built and necessitated by the electoral college, they don't fit neatly on some scale between communism and fascism.

Urgh, I expect this kind of crap from "the liberals are evil" Neo, but damn. I have no idea so many people on ATS were so brutally uneducated. Fascists are not Socialists. You cannot be fascist and socialist, they are two opposed systems. There is a reason the Nazi's killed people who they thought were socialists.

This thread is one giant facepalm.

reply to post by links234

I don't see OWS waving American flags around and reciting the pledge of allegiance.

Your right they waved things like this around



Since when has anyone said the pledge of alllegance lately?

Sounds more like voter ID and the purging of illegals from our lands. The terror at the thought of European social democracy too.

Oh the horror of asking a voter for proof of identification but has no problems with the police asking and by law is required to have every time they get behind the wheel of a car and to drive to go vote

How many leftists do you hear saying, 'The tree of liberty needs to be watered with the blood of tyrants?'

Heard ows say that an worse.

Dressing like militiamen and carrying around semi-automatic rifles to your Tea Party rallies is just...cosplay?

This guy and ows thought they were "patriots"

With the exception of modern American conservatism, which political movement is vehemently opposed to liberalism and any form of socialism in America? Is it OWS or the Tea Party?

OWs and Democrats there is no problem a law can't solve and apparently there are a lot of problems laws need to solve which is vehemtly opposed to liberalism

Ban gay marriage! Don't say 'gay!' Kick out illegals! Drug test welfare recipients! Take our country 'back!'

Saw OWs hate on gay and lesbians and take our country back rhetoric.

Who facilitated the organization of massive Tea Party and 9/12 rallies across the nation? Glenn Beck and the Koch brothers!

Seen a lot of money funneled into OWs from the soros's of the left wing

We're a republic damn it! Who keeps saying that? Oh right, OW...no wait...

The only people who have a problem with being a republic are fascists who reject equality of equal voice equal representation.

Let's see, 'basing government legitimacy on quantity...' Who here is clamoring for smaller government? The movement in America today demanding we cut government to an inoperable size? They're not asking for more efficient government, they're asking for less and less government.

Too big to fail which you made the we need quantity meaning more of it


Yep think what you will but i do not believe we need a law for everything under the sun in this country anyone who does well is fascist anti democracy anti republic.

How can anyone possible think fascism is on the left or what the Nazi's called Socialist was anything but socialism. Better question, how can anyone think there's actually a true right and left in our government anymore. The divide amongst them is theater, nothing less. It's only real for us peons who keep going for each other's throats in a vain attempt to restore sanity...only to be fooled time and again.

We are most definitely flying headlong into fascism as we have been since 9/11 if not before then. But it isn't coming from the left and it isn't coming from the right it's coming from both sides as directed by the money flow coming from behind the curtain.

Neo...Occupy is the most vocal against fascism as we've got right now, stop drinking the kool-aid.

reply to post by Kali74


this is all I will say and I think its pretty accurate

reply to post by Kali74

“If the German people lay down their weapons, the Soviets, according to the agreement between Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin, would occupy all of East and Southeast Europe along with the greater part of the Reich. An iron curtain would fall over this enormous territory controlled by the Soviet Union, behind which nations would be slaughtered.”

Joseph Geobells. change the names to Wall Street and Conservatives and Teaparties.

“Whoever can conquer the street will one day conquer the state, for every form of power politics and any dictatorship-run state has its roots in the street.”

Another Goebbels quote.

Another Goebbels quote

“If we are attacked we can only defend ourselves with guns not with butter.”

Guess if they hadn't banned themselves guns they wouldn''t be throwing rocks and molotov cocktails

Not drinkin liberal koolaid sorry

reply to post by neo96


I'm not even sure what that has to do anything I just posted...can you clarify?

reply to post by Kali74


Goebbell was a Nazi propagandist who in American beleives like that?

In my opinion the left and OWS does.

reply to post by neo96


Seriously, I'm a nazi now? Show me how you came to this conclusion.

reply to post by Kali74


Dont recall calling you a nazi read the wikipedia article come to your own conclusions nothing here said anyone has to agree with me.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by links234

 

Your right they waved things like this around

Completely irrelevant to the argument of which movement is more nationalistic than the other.

Since when has anyone said the pledge of alllegance lately?

Oh the horror of asking a voter for proof of identification but has no problems with the police asking and by law is required to have every time they get behind the wheel of a car and to drive to go vote

You're the one who wants to limit voting to only those with an ID, not me.

Heard ows say that an worse.

Sure you did.

This guy and ows thought they were "patriots"

So what does that make the Tea Party?

OWs and Democrats there is no problem a law can't solve and apparently there are a lot of problems laws need to solve which is vehemtly opposed to liberalism

So are you going to slap a bumper-sticker on your car proudly declaring yourself a liberal?

Saw OWs hate on gay and lesbians and take our country back rhetoric.

Show me. Please.

Seen a lot of money funneled into OWs from the soros's of the left wing

So you have receipts and proof of this money funnelling?

The only people who have a problem with being a republic are fascists who reject equality of equal voice equal representation.

According to your link fascists are opposed only to democracy, not republics. Since when is one vote in Wyoming equal to 11 votes in California 'fair'?

Too big to fail which you made the we need quantity meaning more of it

Your definition of fascism has nothing to do with 'too big to fail', you specifically quoted a section regarding quantity over quality of government.

Yep think what you will but i do not believe we need a law for everything under the sun in this country anyone who does well is fascist anti democracy anti republic

There you go again with your quantity over quality. You'd rather have fewer laws in general than more useful laws overrall.

I especially like how you try to paint 'extreme centrist' as 'extreme leftist'. It certainly explains why the right-wing of America has been so gleefully extreme the past few years.

reply to post by neo96

reply to post by neo96

Goebbell was a Nazi propagandist who in American beleives like that? In my opinion the left and OWS does.

I'm both those things so essentially you are saying I'm a nazi.

reply to post by antonia


OK I can see where your coming from and its not your fault. Even if wikipedia is not accepted as source material worthy of academic circles. Please look up the definition there.

Do not trust what the MSM has force fed you.

reply to post by ManBehindTheMask


Refer to my spectrum map in an earlier post

reply to post by links234

Completely irrelevant to the argument of which movement is more nationalistic than the other.

Whatever i guess the nazi party endoresemnt of OWS is irrelevant to

You're the one who wants to limit voting to only those with an ID, not me.

Oh the horror of legal citizens voting instead of everyone up to including dead people.

So what does that make the Tea Party?

Model citizens since none of them were ever arrested and threw rocks and molotiv cocktails at the police and who exercised their power by vote.

So are you going to slap a bumper-sticker on your car proudly declaring yourself a liberal?

It will be a cold day in hell

Show me. Please.

Do your own legwork like everyone else on here not here to spoonfeed anyone use the power of google and ATS search

So you have receipts and proof of this money funnelling?

That really is laughable i saw no proof introduced about the koch brothers.

According to your link fascists are opposed only to democracy, not republics. Since when is one vote in Wyoming equal to 11 votes in California 'fair'?

Well in a democracy and a Republic the citizen makes their own choices according to their own wills and not be subservient and made to by Goverment and it's laws.

Didn't create the electoral college didn't set that up actually was a checks and balance because of population and power growth hell the very idea is decentralized power.

But wait the electoral college is evil and not fair blah blah blah.

Your definition of fascism has nothing to do with 'too big to fail', you specifically quoted a section regarding quantity over quality of government.

It was quoted for the simple reason we need laws and a whole crapload that lack any real substance or validity hence the lack of quality or program of government office.

that is effiencincy its very emboidiement for ever law we have your power is decreased


Goverment efficiency is an oxymoron its like military intelligence.

Yeah sue me that i have problems with how extreme left this country has been that past 3 years more power and control less freedoms.