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Originally posted by links234
reply to post by Wrabbit2000
Fair enough. Make a national ID and we can use that to vote. Thereby foregoing issues of moving between states and not having a proper state ID on hand, as is the case with numerous college kids.
I wouldn't be opposed to ID laws if we instituted a national ID. I still stand by my idea that some politicians are focusing too much energy on voter ID than they are on getting more people to vote in general and feel that they're in the wrong because of it.
Constitutionality
Some critics claim that the Real ID Act violates the Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution as a federal legislation in an area that, under the terms of the Tenth Amendment, is the province of the states. Thus, Anthony Romero, the executive director of ACLU, stated: "... Real ID is an unfunded mandate that violates the Constitution's 10th Amendment on state powers, destroys states' dual sovereignty and consolidates every American's private information, leaving all of us far more vulnerable to identity thieves.".[67]
Former Republican U.S. Representative Bob Barr wrote in a February 2008 article: "A person not possessing a Real ID Act-compliant identification card could not enter any federal building, or an office of his or her congressman or senator or the U.S. Capitol. This effectively denies that person their fundamental rights to assembly and to petition the government as guaranteed in the First Amendment." [68]
The DHS final rule [12] regarding implementation of the Real ID Act discusses a number of constitutional concerns raised by the commenters on the proposed version of this rule. The DHS rule explicitly rejects the assertion that the implementation of the Real ID Act will lead to violations of the citizens' individual constitutional rights (page 5284 of the DHS rule in the Federal register). In relation to the Tenth Amendment argument about violation of states' constitutional rights, the DHS rule acknowledges that that these concerns have been raised by a number of individual commenters and in the comments by some states. The DHS rule does not attempt to rebuff the Tenth Amendment argument directly, but says that the DHS is acting in accordance with the authority granted to it by the Real ID Act and that DHS has been and will be working closely with the states on the implementation of the Real ID Act (pages 5284 and 5317 of the DHS final rule in the Federal Register).
REAL ID Act
Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by xuenchen
I never understood this " Show me your papers" mentality.
The America's are so insane these days it's really hard to be proud of being from this Continent anymore.
I thought we decided after WW2 that this sort of thing only lead to bad roads?
If you have a birth certificate or a passport, then you should be allow do do whatever it is you want, vote, drink, whatever, and not be forced to prove your citizenship everywhere you go.
~Tenth
edit on 4/7/2012 by tothetenthpower because: (no reason given)
The Department of Justice is in full-on spin mode over the James O’Keefe Project Veritas tape in which a young white man is offered Attorney General Eric Holder’s ballot. Desperate to prove that voter ID should not be presented in order to obtain a ballot, the DOJ fired back at O’Keefe and Project Veritas today, with a DOJ official telling tried-and-true media ally Talking Points Memo, “It’s no coincidence that these so-called examples of rampant voter fraud consistently turn out to be manufactured ones.”
O’Keefe’s efforts helped expose the fraud-prone voter-registration group ACORN with his video stings, and has had great success demonstrating this year in New Hampshire, Vermont, and Minnesota just how easy it is to obtain a ballot by giving the name of a dead person who is still on the rolls. Indeed, a new study by the Pew Research Center found at least 1.8 million dead people are still registered to vote. They aren’t likely to complain if someone votes in their place.
Originally posted by links234
reply to post by Wrabbit2000
Fair enough. Make a national ID and we can use that to vote. Thereby foregoing issues of moving between states and not having a proper state ID on hand, as is the case with numerous college kids.
I wouldn't be opposed to ID laws if we instituted a national ID. I still stand by my idea that some politicians are focusing too much energy on voter ID than they are on getting more people to vote in general and feel that they're in the wrong because of it.