reply to post by jiggerj
"You think this way, not because of what you see, and not because of the way things are, but only because you have intelligence. If we had evolved
into intelligent lobsters we would still be having this discussion. You would look at your strong claws and say, "Look how perfect they are; surely
there is a method to this madness." "
my intelligence is only an environment in my mind, which is a product of what i see, and the unavoidable way things are.....
intelligence is a individually created map of reality,,,, im not suggesting there is a god controlling every speck and instance of the universe,, but
when i say method i mean a process,, that can occur,, and is cool that it is occuring,, it is interesting,, amazing,, entertaining,, inspiring,, it is
what is, and what gives us everything we do, have and are,,,,, there is no good reason why the tinest spec of dust should exist,, yet, look at photos
of earth,, look at photos from hubble and imagine the quadrillions of earths that exist,,,,,, everything exists,,, you sit in peace completely
undisturbed, while every bug, animal, human, life on other planets,, lives out its epic and most meaningful existence,,, is it just the odds that
eventually something called a man should come into existence and have its lessons and potentials and joys,, the design of the man, its abilities,,, is
this idea something that can exist on its own conceptually,,, or does it have to be proven physically in action,,,,, the essence of me as i am is
existing right now,,, this is the big deal with culture,,, ideas and abilities of potential,,,,, the american dream is some imaginative ideal of
existence that comes from beyond man,, just as the culture of any peoples of earth is a blend of what is possible to accomplish with energy and time
and surroundings, but there are personal touches of identity and insight, and probable paths to take,, ,, for it is something man is reaching to
obtain,,, the potential for a way of thinking to create a certain type of society one that travels the stars or one that is a tribe for millennia and
lives as the semi intelligent lobster,,, it is an issue of forces, control, power,,,,,,,
i just think so many themes are intertwined and related and inescapable,, i also know that rambling will make no sense and youll think i am a fool,,,
sometimes i can be more clear with the way i see things, other times they are easier seen then said,,, not saying i see them right,,, but im trying to
see what could be and why,,, its easy to dismiss everything,, intelligence is the source of human creation and it must be maintained and built,,
ignorance is natural and easy,,,
"You wrote: "it is this universe we exist in and of,,, it's just so complex and works so well"
LOL Who says it works so well? Billions of stars explode all the time, taking out all of the surrounding planets (where life might have been living).
Right now there's talk of the earth's magnetic field weakening. Will you still think the universe works so well when the solar winds break through
our atmosphere and levels everything to smoke and ash?
i think it works well,,, sometimes our foot explodes to the ground and kills a bunch of ants,, lets say they die a quick death and thats the worst of
their experience on earth,,, lets say that star explodes and instantly wipes out a planet,,, maybe all those who died will never be able to physically
miss this existence,, maybe they wake up millennia later or too them moments on another planet as a lobster or man,
"Many have the notion that we were given an atmosphere of oxygen to help us breath. No, no, no. lol We exist in this form BECAUSE oxygen was here
first. Oxygen wasn't MADE for us. It just happened to be here, so we just happened to evolve here. Other planets and moons have the neccessary
ingredients for life, but planet earth just happened to be in the goldilocks zone. "
yes if it wasnt in the goldilocks zone, and didnt have oxygen we wouldnt be here,,, odds are there will be planets in the goldilocks zone, and that
will cause the chance of life coming to be on these planets,,, if the gas on jupitar is not intelligent and self aware it wont know, care, or mind, it
is not in the goldilock zone,,, the universe is so random maybe some point in eternal infinity jupitar will have a purpose or use,,
"I am of the opinion that everything in this universe is SO random that it's scary!"
funny, i take it you mean cosmic storms and asteroids etc,, im more scared of powerful people of earth then anything,,,