Fabrice Muamba: Racist Twitter user jailed for 56 days (Right or Wrong)

Originally posted by neformore
I think that anyone who is stupid enough to make racially motivated abohrrent comments on a public forum deserves everything they get.

Freedom of speech is not freedom to hate.

Whether or not something is "racially motivated", "abhorrent", or "racist", is entirely opinion. Its also entirely opinion whether or not its okay to tell someone you hate them for whatever reasons.

Its frankly unbelievable to me so many people on ATS think its okay to put someone in prison because they are sharing a disapproved opinion. Its incredibly obvious that its wrong to punish someone because of any opinion they are sharing whatsoever.

Hate is an emotion people have that you can't legislate away, and its always justified that someone can share any emotions they are having. To say "You may have emotion X, but you may never express emotion X you must suffer" is actually quite harmful and bad for people in general because it causes people to bottle up feelings and therefore bad outbursts will certainly result.

The most outrageous part of the story is "Muamba, 23, who suffered a cardiac arrest, is still in intensive care." The "victim" couldn't even have possibly have read the comments to be "damaged" because he wasn't even conscious enough to do so. He's in intensive care checking Facebook? No. However, now that there is a story about it he will likely find out. The people making a fuss about it are even more responsible for any damages than the "bully".

reply to post by Rising Against


I have to respectfully disagree. While i personally feel that racism is a disgusting part of life that we should not have to live with i also feel like everyone is free to voice his/her opinion. He should grow up and start to live life with a wider outlook but going to jail for something you say is not something i think should happen. Freedom of speech.

reply to post by Rising Against



are you a Pro Conservative republican a commit you have made as of Why Not ?

it sure sound like one all tho your avatar is a Throw off


Why Not .?

Britain is More Becoming a Orwellian World CCTV all Over is One Prime Example
A Guy Named Eric Arthur Blair has Visioned it tho he visioned in a Communist Country

American is Following the Foot Steps



Should he Go to Jail NOPE !!!!!! what Should of Happen is that his Racial Twitter Spree
Should of Gone Public Around the World
of what he has Said on Twitter Especially the News medias & Talk Shows


Think about it now either Way Jail or No Jail
This Guy got his 5 minutes of Fame as Andy Warhol would of Said

Now he has a Charge for the Rest for his Life !!

it just a bad here in America for Insulting with TXT Messaging or a Sexual Comment to a Girl Friend or Wife for that Matter can Land you in jail if she is Pissed Off Enough in Jail

Censorship in the US & Britain is way out of Control


LOL I got a Sexual & Racial Charge just because I lend my cell Phone to my so called Friend


So.... what ya in for !

I lend a Phone to a Friend at the .... .. that he made offensive Texting on it when he went Outside for a Better Reception while i stayed in the .......







Next it will be like this in the Future


Ive seen , Heard & Read kid's to Tees Lives Ruined for making text messaging Pranks

its just plain Wrong ....



Racist text messages seen nationwide after Obama win



Should they go all to Jail insulting the President Rising Against ?

Obama is the Only President that been insulted pointed at at fingered at by the Opposite Political official American Party in front of the Rolling Camera (( Face to Face )) I dont think it has ever been done in the 20th century and the first 8 years of the 21st century if any one can tell me different do so

Text Bullying
www.bullyingstatistics.org...

Sexting - Issues of teens using mobiles for explicit messages, pictures, or videos

Sexting is against the law and can result in child pornography charges for the sender or senders even if they are minors.

Sexting Legal Issues
en.wikipedia.org...


soon people we will be banned to have ++++ NO ++++RED Meat to go with our Fluoride Water when talking about .....( Censorship )...... while ......( Censorship )..... Marriage's need to be Approved by the Dept of Health upon Entering when you have friends over
While the CCTV 360 Degree Ball hanging over the Dinner Table

What the Hell Will the Movie Demolition man becoming a Reality ...

Demolition Man - Language Violation

Originally posted by neformore
I think that anyone who is stupid enough to make racially motivated abohrrent comments on a public forum deserves everything they get.

Freedom of speech is not freedom to hate.

Strongly Disagree !!!!

It is the right of any human being to harbor hatred or malcontention towards anybody they desire.

If one sick individual or a thousand sick individuals hold "hatred" in their hearts towards any other human being or group of human beings that is completely their own personal choice that they make and live with it at the discretion of their own consciences and God alone will be their judge.

The moment one sick individual or a thousand sick individuals lay one iota of harm towards any other human being or group of human beings then the local magistrate will be their judge.

It is not ANY human being's right to legislate their morality upon others.

Here I thought it was gonna be about Chairman-Maobama (Facebook)

After all, if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao, You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow.



Obviously the association fits (commie and declared himself KING via NDAA), not racist but seems likely to get construed that way.

While the comments were wrong and insensitive, jail time as a punishment is a complete overreaction. Even if you abhor the idea of Racism, emotion should not override one's right to Freedom of Speech. It is scary to think where we are headed if cases like these become the norm...

Originally posted by neformore
I think that anyone who is stupid enough to make racially motivated abohrrent comments on a public forum deserves everything they get.

Freedom of speech is not freedom to hate.

Yeh let him be entitled to his racist opinions , however when he decides to start sharing them with the world and that causes bad things to happen , then he should be punished for being a grade A douchebag make him do community service in areas where he is a minority ! Soon he will realise that he is not better than anyone with different levels of melanin !

Originally posted by judus
reply to post by Rising Against

 

People Die all the time what makes this case so special ? Why should the MSM hype this as a national tragedy.

we are letting the police state take control because we let them. This man been jailed is another step to totalitarianism

It's not that he's special, it's not another step to anything, twitter is covered in the same way as any other medium and race hate is considered a crime in the UK. Personally I do not think that's a bad thing and perhaps it will make people stop and think in the future.

This is not the first time such cases have gone to court, it just so happens that this originated with the incident with the footballer, the guy then went on to make further racist comments about people who complained about his messages.

Twitter is an open medium, if you wouldn't reasonably expect to make a statement in public surrounded by strangers without it leading to trouble, then don't state it on an open forum and expect that to be any different.

Originally posted by InfoKartel

Originally posted by judus
reply to post by Rising Against

 

People Die all the time what makes this case so special ? Why should the MSM hype this as a national tragedy.

Football player. Dropped on live tv watched by millions at the time. Did you really need to ask? What with the godlike status that's given to sport players...

But if a grown skinhead spouts all kinds of racist diatribe to some poor fellow on the street, it's no problem. Fine? What fine? Let alone jail...

edit on 27-3-2012 by InfoKartel because: (no reason given)

There's a difference isn't there? If said skinhead (my, talk about stereotyping by the way) makes the same comments this guy did and police are able to apprehend and there are reliable witnesses then he would, or should face the same charges. Twitter provides that witnessing and also effectively a confession by default.

Originally posted by PaxVeritas
Originally posted by woogleuk
Originally posted by judus

The moderator above hit it on the head, freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom to hate.

56 days, IMO, is a light sentence for what the divvy said

Wrong, freedom of speech implies freedom to say 'hateful' things. Look at Youtube comments, look at the internet in general. There's so much 'hateful' stuff being said on any given subject. Who determines what is 'hateful'?

YOU?

Is there going to be a central world committee on "internet hate" to jail all the people who are letting off steam or saying what they believe? Should there be an internet INQUISITION?

It's all BS. And it's always little ninnies with a Hall Monitor complex who want speech shut down.

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Errrrm, you do know this was in the UK right, where there are laws against hate crime? That may be an alien concept to you, but actually I think that says more about you than it does this subject.

Originally posted by blupblup

Originally posted by Freeborn
I read some absolutely disgusting things on Facebook relating to this.
If his 'tweets' were equally abhorant then he got all he deserved.
And I hope he gets padded up with someone suitable.

See from what I understand, having just done a little digging, is that he said "**** Muamba, he's dead" which lead to an argument where he then started calling those who defended Muamba "Wogs" and told them to "go and pick some cotton"


Apparently there were other exchanges, but if it was merely for the first "Tweet" then I don't get it?

It's not very nice but I can't see that any law was broken in saying that? It must have been the subsequent tweets, which I couldn't find much detail of?

Hmmm

It was for the subsequent exchanges that he faced trial. You are quite correct (IMHO), the first comment was distasteful, the following ones were offensive under the laws of the UK.

Originally posted by Salamandy

Originally posted by TruthWizard

Originally posted by blupblup


Free speech stops when hate speech starts.

No It does not.

edit on 27-3-2012 by TruthWizard because: (no reason given)

Ill second that... NO IT DOES NOT.

I think we are speaking from different countries because in the US, we take the good with the bad in order to keep the cherished idea of free speech alive.

No you don't and this is where I don't think you actually understand your own rules and laws. You are free to say it but then have to take the consequences. What's the old cliche about this? You are free to say what you please but if you shout FIRE!!!!! in a fully packed theatre then you can be charged with a disturbance of the peace.

Firstly I can see this is just a 'in your face' call from TPTB, I doubt you will see it happen again.

Secondly, jail may be a little harsh but he definitely deserved being punished, there's enough racists around as it is without snide little twats like him thinking its OK on a mass media forum.

Lastly, this man was obviously making directly racial comments, that's clear as day but these forums are full of people who do not seem to understand the meaning of racial and slap it like a big old sticker on people for the wrong reasons.

I wish they would learn what it actually means and not use it like a throw away word whenever they see fit in their minds.

Originally posted by something wicked

Originally posted by InfoKartel

Originally posted by judus
reply to post by Rising Against

 

People Die all the time what makes this case so special ? Why should the MSM hype this as a national tragedy.

Football player. Dropped on live tv watched by millions at the time. Did you really need to ask? What with the godlike status that's given to sport players...

But if a grown skinhead spouts all kinds of racist diatribe to some poor fellow on the street, it's no problem. Fine? What fine? Let alone jail...

edit on 27-3-2012 by InfoKartel because: (no reason given)

There's a difference isn't there? If said skinhead (my, talk about stereotyping by the way) makes the same comments this guy did and police are able to apprehend and there are reliable witnesses then he would, or should face the same charges. Twitter provides that witnessing and also effectively a confession by default.

It's great you live in la-la-land where the law is the same for everybody, regardless of the size of their wallets. BUT, here in the real world, the law is not the same for everyone. It's more lenient if you're rich and it's cold as ice if you're a poor fellow. Witnesses or no witnesses.

Originally posted by neformore
I think that anyone who is stupid enough to make racially motivated abohrrent comments on a public forum deserves everything they get.

Freedom of speech is not freedom to hate.

Really? So, all those that hate the "devil worshipers" should go to jail for speaking out in disdain?

This is utterly ridiculous. Freedom of speech is freedom of speech. Just because we don't always agree with what some people say doesn't mean that that person should go to jail for what they say.

I am Pagan/Hindu/Druid/Buddhist/Native American. I get a lot of backlash and hatred from Christians because they say I am a "devil worshiper". They say I am evil.

Should I go to jail for speaking about spells and spirits?

People have a right to their own opinion and perspectives and weather the general public thinks that certain person's stance is right or wrong shouldn't matter, its called freedom.

Some black people hate white people and speak about it. I don't agree with it but it's their rightful ignorant opinion. Some white people hate black people. I don't agree with it but it's their rightful ignorant opinion.

I recall some KKK members on Jerry Springer speaking out on their hatred for other than white races. Did they get arrested? Nope. It's called freedom of speech.


-Alien

reply to post by Sly1one


One thing I can't stand is racism. If you, or anyone else has an issue with that, then that's unfortunate, but it doesn't change anything, certainly not my views about thing's. But yes, I do agree though that I maybe went ever so slightly too far when highlighting that a prison sentence was appropriate as it is most probably not. I will happily admit when I've made a mistake. It was also this post which made me start to change my opinion there btw as I feel like he's actually making a great deal of sense.

But like I said, It's one thing I cannot stand and would like to see eradicated from our society, we should be better than that kind of crap already. Disliking or thinking less of someone simply because of their skin colour.. how utterly ridiculous. But yes, yes, I understand where you was coming from. As woodwardjnr wisely said previously in this thread "I always think prison should be used as a very last resort in any case. Prison, is basically crime school, where you get to mix with petty criminals and learn for yourself how to profit from crime. The majority do not come out as reformed characters but likely to reoffend", something I couldn't agree more with.

But this being so, some form of punishment, in my opinion, should still be neccesary in this case. Racism is just not ok nor is that kind of abuse in this kind of situation. It's not needed nor is it wanted anywhere ever.

Also, for those commenting on my avatar.. please grow up maybe just a tiny bit at least. It's an avatar. Relax. I chose my avatar as an expression of a topic I find interesting. If you have an issue with it, alert me and try to have it removed.

so then what about those white supremacist groups that walk the streets during their dumb protests...

why do I always hear about defending THEIR right of all people to speak their bullcrap?

this is recent too...

I see Racism all the time posted over Face Book.

It seems to be when is suites the UK government.

Anti Muslim pictures seem to be somewhat tolerated on FB.

It is what fits with the public agenda at the time.

Please look at this piece from a UK paper and tell me if this is racism ,the head line is

Welcome to North Korea - a backward and brainwashed nation

www.mirror.co.uk...

reply to post by Rising Against


Against Race Culture Religion

those top Three will Never Go Away


the Superior Greed to go to the Top of Mountain
or the Fear of those Top 3 will get their First
or Bring you Down from trying in Degrees of Levels

Ever Since a Hominid to a Neanderthal to a Modern Man Can Throw a Object
or make a Communicative Sound


The Only way that those three will go Away when

All of the Human Race become One Mixture a Complete Blend of Colors the top 5
White Yellow Red Brown Black or Black Brown Red Yellow White Way of thinking ... One Color ...

All religion become One Mix
( Romans Tried with Christianity Mixing the Hoildays and Event of Paganism as One )

This Would Tend to be the Most Difficult

All Cultures be the Same Lifestyle

Preferably Westernization Freedom & Pleasure at Will







ohh by the way

Im of a Mix Race

reply to post by judus


Well how would you feel if a member of your family was in that situation and comments were made based on colour.

The trouble is it's far to easy for idiots with no common sense to make comments on Facebook twitter and the internet in general, so to make a sick comment about someone who could have died, well maybe this will be a warning shot to others.

It was said yesterday his university want nothing to do with him either!