Originally posted by roadgravel
Oil field people talking at this at TheOilDrum
Thank you for this link. I had been following the discussion there--it was very informative. Unfortunately, the link to that article has
become..."Access Denied." :
I wonder if the site owner was politely asked to make the page disappear?
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An attack on an oil rig is possible. In this case it seems more likely that the technology isn't up to the job. It's just falling apart from the
combined effects of heat and pressure.
According to L.A. Hardiman of Total E&P UK PLC in 2006.....
"The Elgin/Franklin HP/HT gas condensate fields are located some 120 miles east of Aberdeen in
the Central Graben area of the UK North Sea and at the time of sanction in 1997 was the largest HP/HT development in the world with the highest
pressures and temperatures requiring the application of new technology. The fields have now been onstream for some 5 years with first production from
Elgin on 31st March 2001."
Originally posted by Mossadstooge
This is just freakin great! First BP poisoned all of the sea food in the gulf of Mexico now the douche bags at Dutch Shell are trying to poison all
the sea life in the North Sea and eventually the Atlantic. Isn'[t about time that we gave up on fossil fuel, nuclear power and all of this other
dangerous sh$t? These Corporations are raping the planet and every person on it!
Guess you missed the bit about this being a Total Rig and nothing at all to do with Shell or BP? In fact, I hazard you haven't read the thread at
all. Me, I've spent two hours now slowing reading through while at work before I comment..
Maybe this is true, but patents only give you 15 or 20 years of exclusivity. Surely, seeing as we apparently had these techs since the 70's or 80's
and "Big Oil" just sits on them, we can now legally use such techs without fear of any litigation... Unless of course what you're saying is just a
load of conspiracy crock?
Originally posted by JiggyPotamus
I blame capitalism. Get the most for the least amount of money. If it isn't profitable, don't do it, the consequences be damned. And last time I
checked, refitting a well with new piping equipment is not a profitable venture, even though stuff like this wouldn't happen had that action been
As already stated, problems like this can seriously damage a companies bottom line, sometimes fatally, so it is in their interests to play it safe.
Add to that, the North Sea is probably the most regulated and safety concious oil industries on the planet, with very few incidents over the last
30-40 years and those that did happen have never been repeated due to lessons learnt.
Originally posted by TheMindWar
It costs around £30 Billion to decommision these rigs.
No it doesn't. The total estimated cost of decommissioning the ENTIRE North sea is put at £20 Billion. That's in excess of 600 rigs. £30
billion for one rig is just a plain fabrication on your part.
Originally posted by Fromabove
So, if it blows up, and it will eventually, and it somehow gets into the reservoir and that ignites. Would it then be an extinction level event, or at
least on the local stage for Europe ? Gotta wonder.
Not even remotely possible. You need to read up on geology.
Originally posted by thebarbecuemaster
this is not a gas cloud it was a respponse most likely to an attack on the oil rig with the goverment using this excuse to keep the media away
Ahem... How is that they have managed to keep this "attack" from being leaked by the [b[many workers on that rig?
WHILE RUNNING ON THE BEACH IN HOLLAND I NOTICED A SULFURIC TASTE IN MOUTH AND NOSE, I RECOGNIZE THE SMELL FROM MY VISITS TO GEOTHERMAL PLANTS AND
I WAS WONDERING HOW THIS COULD BE AND I BLAME THE CHORUS FACTORIES, HOWEVER THE WIND WA NORHT WEST WHICH MADE THE CHORUS DIRT GO LAND INWARDS.
EVENINGS I SEE NEWS ABOUT GAS LEAK, CAN IT BE THAT THE SMELL OF THIS GAS REACHES THE DUTCH COAST, AND IF YES WHAT IS THE CONSQUENCES FOR HEALTH ?
THIS HAS TO GO PUBLIC PLEASE HELP FORWARD THIS TO ANYONE YOU KNOW.
LONDON, March 26 (Reuters) - A gas cloud has encircled Total's leaking Elgin Franklin oil and gas platform in the North Sea following failed attempts
to "kill" a problematic production well, an RMT union official said based on eyewitness accounts from workers on nearby rigs.
"People seven miles away can see a gas cloud coming from the Total rig," said Jake Molloy, the head of the section of the UK union that represents
offshore oil and gas workers.
"Engineers have told me that it is almost certain that gas is leaking directly from the reservoir through the pipe casing," he said.
It is probably going to be plugged and the overall pollution won't be any more than an average large town produces.
The big issue is how this is going to be used to justify drilling into other high pressure/high temperature gas fields. The technology isn't advanced
enough to safely tap these fields. The easy stuff has been harvested first so the more difficult fields are going to be drilled. Many in the oil
industry see this crisis as a way to learn how to improve the technology.
Oil companies hire leading psychologists to show them how to convince oil workers and their families that safety is the top priority. It's all lies.
The Elgin field should have been plugged and abandoned before entering full production. From the first days it's been obvious it was going to go bad.
When they successfully plug this one they are going to have to either shut down the whole field or carry on and pretend they've fixed the problem.
The truth is all the high pressure wells are going to suffer from similar problems. The rock above the reservoir has moved more than was anticipated
and the usual well plugging techniques aren't going to stand the test of time.
The worst case scenario would be the entire field venting and possibly other fields close by. This could happen any time over the next few hundred
I'm struggling to give an update when I'm not there, the best I can do is to say the wells are smashed and dangerous. The gas is working it's way
up through the disturbed rock and the distorted well holes. The equipment at the top has suffered numerous breakdowns due to vibration, this wasn't
anticipated during planning. The Elgin Franklin development is an experiment and the way to learn most from an experiment is when it all goes wrong.
New Scientist, in their article 'Report reveals earlier problems at North Sea gas site' tells us....
"In fact, many of the wells in the Elgin field and the neighbouring Franklin field have failed since Total began extracting gas there in 2001,
according to the report. The casings of some of the wells became badly deformed and their internal diameters shrank by 60 per cent, like damaged
drinking straws. Others may have sheared off completely.
That damage was probably a direct result of gas extraction activities. The drop in pressure as gas was removed deformed the chalk layers above.
Because the wells must pass through the chalk to reach the gas fields below, they too become deformed."
"The leaky well in question was actually closed over a year ago, and sealed at depth. But because Total continued to extract gas from the Elgin
field, shearing forces within the chalk above may have cracked open the abandoned well-casing 4000 metres down – 1500 metres above the main gas
field – allowing methane within the chalk to seep into the well and escape to the surface.
"Based upon the information we have available, I think it is highly probable this has happened," says Jon Gluyas of Durham University in the UK, who
has 28 years of experience in the petroleum industry.
At the time of publication, Total had not responded to a request to comment on the relevance of last year's report to the current leak.
"Because of the demand for oil and gas, we will see this type of field exploited more often," Gluyas says. However, that does not necessarily mean
we will see many more accidents along the lines of Elgin. Rather, the gas industry may improve its practices, for instance monitoring compaction in
chalk layers more closely. "The industry will learn from this substantially," Gluyas says."
Where the New Scientist and I disagree is the idea that methane seeping into a well is going to cause a hurried evacuation. My view is the gas is
coming from the Elgin field, through the claystone layer up the unsuccessfully plugged and severely damaged well, filtering through the chalk then
finding the easy route up the rest of damaged well. Why it cant be stopped with a valve is the million dollar question. Did the pipe shear off the
wellhead? If so why? High pressure? Damaged equipment?
Originally posted by reitze
There's so much carelessness in drilling and oil it makes me wonder if they don't do stuff like this on purpose.
What are they tryin to do? Get the North Pole to melt? Was the GOM leak on purpose?
The definition of Elginism is.....
Elginism (ĕl’gĭnĭz’əm) n. 1801. [f. the name of Thomas Bruce, 7th Earl of Elgin (1766-1841); see —ISM. Cf. Fr. elginisme & Sp.
An act of cultural vandalism. A term coined by the destructive actions of Lord Elgin who illegally transported the Parthenon Marbles from Greece to
London between 1801 and 1805.
environmental-expert.com tells us....
"Worldwide, there are an estimated 20-30 million oil and gas wells abandoned using primitive capping technologies, which could cause further serious
headaches for operators across the globe."
We are going to see many more leaking wells over the next few hundred years. I refer again to this product.
The Elgin Platform incident seems to have been expected from the start of production and perhaps before. The management told the workers in the time
honoured fashion 'Shut up and get on with it!'
LONDON/PARIS (Reuters) - "Total repeatedly assured workers on its North Sea Elgin platform that a leak was impossible until just hours before
evacuating them as potentially explosive gas spread, a senior union official said on Friday.
French energy company Total, the platform's operator, said it had detected the first signs of trouble a month before Sunday's leak erupted as pressure
rose in a well that had been capped a year earlier.
Safety concerns among the 238 workers aboard were then raised but repeatedly ignored, union representative Jake Molloy told Reuters.
"The workforce were repeatedly told that a failure in Annulus C (the pipe casing) could not happen and even if it did, a design feature would prevent
a gas leak," Molloy, head of the RMT union's offshore oil and gas workers section, said.
"Several discussions between workers and Total technical authorities happened throughout the preceding weeks, up to and including a few hours before
the event," he said.
A Total spokeswoman declined to make immediate comment."
The P and J tells us... "....trade unions claimed workers’ fears had been “fobbed off”. This is exactly the term I used to describe my
experience with HSE over this matter.
I have to ask whether the entirely predictable Elgin Blowout is an example of deliberate Elginism.
They can't plug these wells at depth because as the gas left the reservoir the rock above moved sideways and sheared the wells.
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This is the word from HSE, for what it's worth.....
"On Sunday 25 March a gas condensate release occurred on the Total Elgin wellhead platform. No injuries occurred but by early Monday morning all
personnel aboard Elgin and on the adjacent Rowan Viking jack-up drilling rig were evacuated. At the time of down manning all wells were shut in and
power isolated on both the Elgin platform and Rowan Viking.
With the platform and rig evacuated there is no current risk to offshore personnel. There is a 2 mile exclusion zone around the rig, and because of
the uncertainties around the scale and duration of the Elgin event, and the predicted weather conditions, Shell have precautionary down manned non
essential staff from their Shearwater platform and the Noble Hans Deul drilling rig.
A HSE investigation into the cause of the release will get underway in earnest once the well is under control and safe access is available onto the
platform. The leak is being monitored visually and audibly by the standby vessel, and Total have assembled a team to decide on how to tackle the
problem. HSE is in close and regular contact with Total to monitor the options they are developing.
A Government Interest Group, comprising HSE, DECC, MCA, CAA and Marine Scotland, has also been established to ensure good coordination between the
Government agencies involved with the incident."
I might draw attention to their moment of honesty....
"...and because of the uncertainties around the scale and duration of the Elgin event..."
youroilandgasnews.com give us this...
"Total announces elgin incident update following press conference
Monday, Apr 02, 2012
Total hosted a press conference today, attended by Rt Hon Charles Hendry, MP, Minister of State for the Department of Energy and Climate Change (DECC)
at which it provided further details of the scale of its work to control the release of non-toxic gas from the G4 well on the Elgin field platform and
confirmed that the situation remains stable.
Philippe Guys, Managing Director of Total E&P UK, said:
‘Let me say how much Total regrets the incident at the Elgin complex. Our top priority is the safety of our personnel. I can confirm that, in
addition to the safe evacuation of 238 personnel from the Elgin platform, the on-board safety systems of the whole complex, including the other wells,
were successfully activated.’ "
So the managing director tells us Total regret having caused an dangerous incident but have successfully activated all safety systems.
Managing directors in the oil industry are how trustworthy on a scale of one to ten?
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Originally posted by Dbriefed
For those who say this is horrible for the earth, just keep in mind whatever comes out is natural, and from the earth itself. Oil and gas have been
leaking from the depths of the earth and sea naturally for eons. The earth has ways to deal with natural things that come out of itself. It's not
like we're talking about kryptonite or alien or man-made chemicals.
The fact that everything is "natural" still has nothing to do with the fact that some natural things are HAZARDOUS, POISONOUS, and/or DANGEROUS to
introduce in large amounts into the atmosphere, water, land, or other ecosystems. Perhaps the CONTENTS are natural, but it was man who released these
poisons/chemicals which were locked up for millions of years. Now... in the blink of an historical eye, we are releasing massive quantities of poisons
and destabilizing GHGs into our biosphere... we're literally playing with fire (or shall I say, internal combustion?).
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NoHierarchy because: (no reason given)
Well... what he meant actually was that those gases are HAZARDOUS, POISONOUS and/or DANGEROUS....... to YOU. Not to the planet.
The planet was fine billions of years before life... I guess it can live without us or life in general for a billion more. So its OUR problem, not a
PLANET's problem. See the difference?
The phrase "the planet" usually includes all lifeforms/ecosystems... so yeah, it's our problem, along with the rest of the biosphere.
point is that oil and gasses are natural and comes from of the earth, and the earth can't be poisoned by what is already part of the earth. Even
radioactive material comes from the earth. You can't hurt the earth, it's arrogant of us humans to think we can. The most humans can hope do is to
create a temporary imbalance. Nature is all about a self-balancing system, imbalances are unnatural. In the near future human overpopulation will be
balanced out by nature, most probably by the increasingly drug-resistent bacterias or viruses.
Certainly many things about earth are certainly not healthy for all lifeforms. Even a pristine north sea will kill a human in minutes. You can't kill
nature, but nature will most likely cause your death, as the vast majority of human deaths are naturally caused.
So other species, ecosystems, water, land, air, food... these things cannot be poisoned/polluted?
I'm not sure what you mean by "nature is all about a self-balancing system"... if you mean that, after destroying most of the planet's species, they
will somehow magically reappear again because the Earth (meaning, the living environment) is some magical being that is impervious to human
destruction... then you're absolutely dead-wrong.
There is no rule that says that humans cannot destroy other species, ecosystems, climates, inanimate formations/geography, or the stability of the
biosphere. We are doing JUST THAT, and there's no magical force stopping us... we can either stop ourselves or we'll destroy ourselves. It's in our
hands and we're blowing it.
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