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reply posted on 17-4-2012 @ 02:28 PM by Doug Fisher

Originally posted by Hanslune
Great then all you need to do is find artifacts from Atlantis.

I reviewed the literature*; both geological and anthropological for the 'Mesopotamia' area. If that area 'sank' 9,000 years ago there is no evidence of it having done so - its isn't an alluvial fill zone.

Thanks Hanslune,

I meant to ask you what you had found. Are you sure it confirms no alluvial fill in southern Mesopotamia and the Parana Delta, which would have been the site of the flood/sinking?

-Doug

reply posted on 17-4-2012 @ 02:29 PM by Hanslune

Originally posted by AGWskeptic

Good reading for later, thanks.

When you consider how much of established belief about South America has been turned on it's head in the last 10 years I can't wait to see what the next ten years bring.

Yep that what scientist do and it should be interesting. This exploration is part of a 1990 thought pattern that said basically - and yes it should be very interesting, once they are able to tie in a number of associated reports to determine the extend of the cultures and also a stratigraphy at a few sites.

'We found the civilizations made out of stone what about the one made out of wood?'

You'll note a lot of discoveries of such cultures in Europe and SA, they are still looking for them in Africa, SEA and NA

reply posted on 17-4-2012 @ 03:35 PM by AGWskeptic

Originally posted by Hanslune

Originally posted by AGWskeptic

Good reading for later, thanks.

When you consider how much of established belief about South America has been turned on it's head in the last 10 years I can't wait to see what the next ten years bring.

Yep that what scientist do and it should be interesting. This exploration is part of a 1990 thought pattern that said basically - and yes it should be very interesting, once they are able to tie in a number of associated reports to determine the extend of the cultures and also a stratigraphy at a few sites.

'We found the civilizations made out of stone what about the one made out of wood?'

You'll note a lot of discoveries of such cultures in Europe and SA, they are still looking for them in Africa, SEA and NA

What's most fascinating to me is the land management skills they obviously had. If the 10% estimate is true, that's a huge chunk of the rain forrest, no way small tribes did that.

One estimate said that the amount of engineered soil found is roughly the size of France, that much farmland could feed an awful lot of people.

Interesting that while we can't find their houses, we can see what they did by looking at the anomalies in the current environment.

I guess building your monuments into the ecosystem is just as effective as building huge stone monuments, you just have to know what to look for.

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reply posted on 18-4-2012 @ 03:55 AM by Sparta

If your looking for artifacts you need to check out the megalithic sites around South America, (which judging by your knowledge thus far you have) yeah ok there is no actual slab of stone that says here is Atlantis, but the sites there are so huge that alot of south american cultures didn't build them, when the spanish invaders came to the shores of South America and saw the massive cities around the land, we today believe the site to be at the latest built around 1600BC, yet the indigenous people of the area have known about to for thousands of years, I remember one quote from some research here on this fourm about the site of Tiahuanaco debating the age of the site.

"The story goes, as the Spanish were galavanting around their country looking for treasure they came across Tiahuanaco. When confronted and asked the Incans if they built the city they laughed and explained that it was before their time"

Alot of scientific research and archeology excavations and observions had been made on this site and the other PumaPunku (also may other megalithic cities) and it seemed that alot of the cultures living there had built over and into prexisting structures, which some was pretty obvious 2 different cultures had worked on, one with perfect precission with techniques which to this day are unexplainable, and the ones that have major research done on them the result seems to be non existant (in the case of megalithic blocks seeming they had been molted down and molded together)

Personally I think it's entirley possible that South America was were the capital of Atlantis stood, but also after researching more on Percy Fawcett who went off in search for lost cities in South America who thought there was some outpost of Atlantis.

Oh and just for the fun of it for everyone reaction..

What is the Atlantic Ocean named after?

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reply posted on 18-4-2012 @ 10:54 AM by Hanslune

Originally posted by Sparta

"The story goes, as the Spanish were galavanting around their country looking for treasure they came across Tiahuanaco. When confronted and asked the Incans if they built the city they laughed and explained that it was before their time"

That is because the Inca were a newly risen conquering tribe. Yes there were a number of earlier civilizations which the Inca 'knew' about, when they took over chan chan they took over the artisans there- who were expert builders. The Inca were only around a few hundred years

Alot of scientific research and archeology excavations and observions had been made on this site and the other PumaPunku (also may other megalithic cities) and it seemed that alot of the cultures living there had built over and into prexisting structures, which some was pretty obvious and

We seem to have read different 'scientific research', but yes there have been a series of cultures in different parts of SA, just like there were a succession of cultures in Mesopotamia

one with perfect precission with techniques which to this day are unexplainable

Fully explainable with existing research however few people ever read it and rely instead on what they told to believe by fringe video and websites

Look up the work of Jean-Pierre Protzen

Example of his work

the ones that have major research done on them the result seems to be non existant (in the case of megalithic blocks seeming they had been molted down and molded together)

Didn't quite understand your comment here. The rocks weren't melted but you may be referring to their casting staples to hold stones together??

Personally I think it's entirley possible that South America was were the capital of Atlantis stood, but also after researching more on Percy Fawcett who went off in search for lost cities in South America who thought there was some outpost of Atlantis.

It might be, but the failure to find the elusive ground truth evidence for such a huge empire is shockingly suggestive - and based on what Plato said there should be evidence all over SA (is SA was Atlantis) and the Med, yet it isn't

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reply posted on 18-4-2012 @ 10:59 AM by Hanslune

reply to post by Doug Fisher

Sorry I wasn't clear, there is lots of alluvial fill, from the miocene, etc. Unfortunately I'm not a geologists but what I didn't find amongst the materials was evidence for a 'recent' drop within the Chaco-Parani basin and a 'covering' of fill 9,000 years old. However this is outside my area of expertise! I would suggest contacting an Argentian Unversity in that area - there should be a great deal of material from oil search and drilling for water in the Guarani aquifer

reply posted on 19-4-2012 @ 01:05 AM by Sparta

That is because the Inca were a newly risen conquering tribe. Yes there were a number of earlier civilizations which the Inca 'knew' about, when they took over chan chan they took over the artisans there- who were expert builders. The Inca were only around a few hundred years

We seem to have read different 'scientific research', but yes there have been a series of cultures in different parts of SA, just like there were a succession of cultures in Mesopotamia

Yeah I see your point, they weren't around long, so these 'tribes' as you put must have but my concern isn't with the Incans building it or even the Tiahauacans to be fair, I just used those as examples because they are well known, the fact of the matter is that South America has so many ancient mega cities that are incredible, there is a fella by the name of Arthur Posnansky he spent 50 years of his life over there researching trying to determine the actual age of Tiahuanaco, his method of dating was a astronomical way, because Earth is tilted on it's axis in respect to the plane of the solar system the angle it known as "Obliqueness of the Ecliptic"

At the moment out Earth is tilted at an angle of 23.439 degrees and 27 minutes which is not constant (follow the link for more info if you want) as we know that the ancient south American cultures seemed to have an amazing knowledge of astronomy (not going to much into that no need) the alignment of the temple Kalasasaya the temple depicts a tilt of the earths axis amounting to 23 degrees and 8 minutes, which according to many astronomers who checked the workings of Posnanskys work agree that the date is around 15,000BC at the latest. His results were studied intensively by cricits in 1927 and onwards, but all that did verified his conclusions and vouched for the reliability of them. If you would like these I'll dig up the links.

Also that link you provided told me nothing about how they did it, just that they came and moved in and/or were taught some masonry skills by the Tiahuanans, but what I was referring too I don't have too much knowledge in, and to be completely honest I haven't made my mind up the process isn't called melting haha, I meant vitrified and the molded, Vitrified process now I'm not sure of the cred of WM but it was an interesting read.

It might be, but the failure to find the elusive ground truth evidence for such a huge empire is shockingly suggestive - and based on what Plato said there should be evidence all over SA (is SA was Atlantis) and the Med, yet it isn't

Yeah I agree, I guess not many people will believe it is 100% anywhere/true, until any kind of major artifacts are found. But when we think about finding a technological advanced society living around 10,000 BC it's hard to comprehend especially with the way of thinking we are used to and how history is taught to us, I mean the implications are pretty huge if it turns out Atlantis is real, our entire human history would be re-written. I mean if they were advanced whose to say it would be anything like our society is now. The proof could be there, were just looking through the wrong lenses

Credits to Slayer69 who I first ever read information from!

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reply posted on 19-4-2012 @ 01:24 AM by Hanslune

reply to post by Sparta

Yes I know Posnonsky, his date comes up rather regularly and is a big fringe favourite. The problem is he had to make some assumptions, which in his time were SWAG and now just wrong concerning the alignment of the Kalasasaya temple. Other sources of dating don't agree with him at all.

Here is the translation of Posnansky most important work

The P

The calculations

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reply posted on 19-4-2012 @ 09:43 PM by Hanslune

reply to post by Hanslune

Meant to add but couldn't find until now this summary of alternative, fringe and orthodox studies on the city in question

Fagan's summary on T - city

Excellent links to all previous studies of the site

Apologies to Doug for taking a detour from the OP

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reply posted on 20-4-2012 @ 10:05 AM by Harte

Originally posted by Sparta

Also that link you provided told me nothing about how they did it, just that they came and moved in and/or were taught some masonry skills by the Tiahuanans, but what I was referring too I don't have too much knowledge in, and to be completely honest I haven't made my mind up the process isn't called melting haha, I meant vitrified and the molded, Vitrified process now I'm not sure of the cred of WM but it was an interesting read.

If you care to be sure about the credibility, you should try to look into what sort of stone you're talking about, and what sort it would be if it had been melted, poured, and allowed to cool.

IOW, is all the stone basalt?

If not, then the "cred" is zero.

Harte

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reply posted on 14-12-2012 @ 06:26 PM by Outrageo

Originally posted by Doug Fisher

Originally posted by SonOfTheLawOfOne
EPIC thread!!!!

Exactly what I come to ATS for.

Thank you.

~Namaste

ETA: I'm curious to know where your sources for this information came from.

Thanks!

The main research material is contained in Plato's dialogues, Timaeus and Critias. Many maps and the extremely helpful Google Earth played a major role as well.

-Doug

Those "Plato" links provide only blocks of text and some background. Your thread(s) included much, much more in the way of factual material and, especially, graphical renditions. The two (Plato) links you provided do not show any of the renditions in your thread, and, in fact, show almost no visual depictions at all. You mention Google Earth, and indeed it is a helpful application when doing research like this, but again, very few of the maps, images, renditions, and other illustrations in your thread are Google Earth generated. So where did they come from? If you did not create them yourself (and it is clear that you could not have), then from whence are they obtained? What is the source? WHO created them and (deservedly) should be given credit? But that's beside the point. You did a great job, and....

Thus, for those of us that would simply like to follow up and continue this research which you have so graciously posted, would you please provide us with the links or sources from which all of your maps and illustrations were obtained? Actually, I'm sure many of us curious researchers would also appreciate some source detail on the maps and illustrations as posted in your Antarctic thread.

Thank you very much...

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