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Originally posted by pshea38
Originally posted by Agit8dChop
BOOOM!
Headshot!
... finance that you banker stooge.
Ballsy fella, I wish the AMERICANS had balls like the Irish and actually stuck it to their corporate criminals!
The Irish are not so ballsy! Quite the opposite in fact!
We fell (distractedly and silently) for the BS, just like everyone else!
Pleae refer to my post above concerning unconscionable contracts. I think you'll agree that you don't have the right to enslave your great-grandchildren.
Now we are limp and sterile as a people, unwilling to engage and un-inclined tp act.
It doesn't bode well. For anyone!
Originally posted by adventxero
reply to post by CosmicEgg
That is the worst idea I have ever heard. I am a financial coach as well as an avid ATS member. I completely agree with your argument regarding creditors. That is a broken system. American greed,
I disagree. Technically, it is the practice of usury that has led to that. If there were reasonable fees charged for services rendered rather than usury, the landscape would be much different. There is a good reason that Rome had laws making it a capital crime to charge usury.
impatience, and our need for instant gratification has led the credit institution to be what it is today.
and even those who are, are taught a version of the story that makes the banks the helper of the average man, rather than the predatory nothing-merchants. Why can a bank monetize my credit while I can't? How is it possible that a corporation, a fictional, human-created entity, has more power in that respect than any human being can wield? Only answer: your masters want it that way.
As far as removal of ALL banking activities?! Not smart and very bad advice! It seems you don't understand how the money and finance works. Which is really no fault of yours, because 99% of all people in America are taught absolutely nothing about money or finance.
Yeah, about milking the cattle. Good for you. Your time is almost up; best get that visa to Paraguay ready.
And before you try to chastise me about how I am the one who is wrong. I have a Series 6, 63, 26, and 65 investment licenses and I have been in the financial sector for some time now so I know a thing or two.
Please. We can do without the condescending drivel. The noble motive of replacing 150,000 dollars in interest on money that was lent into existence with a mere 50,000 dollars in interest on money that was lent into existence. You're practically a knight in shining armor!
Also, my job is to help families get out of debt and retire early, so my motives are noble ones.
As things stand today you are right. But as things were before the vapor-merchants got hold of the US banking system in 1913, it was a sensible thing to do.
Also, if you take time to understand basic economics and inflationary trends, you would know that putting your money in your sock, mattress, or coffee can is a sure-fire way to wind up broke in 30yrs or so
Unless you happen to be a vapor-merchant or oil speculator.
As inflation rises, the buying power of the dollar weakens. Inflation average out to 4.75% in 2011 and has had a 50yr average of 4% which simply means that we have to work harder every year and our money buys less.
therefore, it is NOT the people's problem.
I my self only use my bank as a checking account, NOT an investment vehicle. I advise my clients to treat banks as such. Banks were designed to make sure you have liquid access to your money, NOT for wealth management.
In addition, it seems that the Irish government is in bed with the European banks. The Irish people are probably paying billions into non-guaranteed bonds because a few political entities saw a way to get rich through that deal.
Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by xstealth
Nice.. well said, and is certainly the feelings of most Irish people..
But I have to say, he asked "why" .. and I'll tell you "why" the Irish have to bailout banks that have no relation to them, to insure European bond holders and international stake sharers .....
You joined the European Union.
And because you joined the European Union you deserve everything that happens to you.
Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
reply to post by thepupils
83%+ of Irish people voted for Ireland to join the nascent EU in 1973.
They also voted yes (69%) on the creation of the European currency.
And yes on the Single European Market treaty (70%).
Yes on the Amsterdam treaty (62%)..
And Yes on the Nice Treaty (63%
Yes! They choose & 1-2 generations later are regretting their ancestors political views.
Good old "Trick-o-Nomics" sounds good now...what about the future?.....huh?
Sad really having to deal with mom & dads grandma & grandpas
"good for the future" voting faith. Never have faith in a system that is created to collapse.
Star for you sir!
Now you can say the Irish were uninformed or voting against their own interest, but you can't say they were forced into the EU.
They chose and choose to be part of the EU.
Originally posted by seabhac-rua
Originally posted by Mart0
I live in Ireland.
This journalist, While commendable and righteous, Does not represent the majority of Irish people.
Yes, We are all pissed off, Yes, We hate bankers and callously spit their names, But we are a castrated nation. We refuse to make change for ourselves. We seem to be waiting for some Superman to whisk us up and save us from our oppressive Government and big Europe.
No, We Irish people don't want change, We don't want stability, We just want to stand around and complain. Because that's all Irish people do, Complain.
Maybe I'm just bitter, I've always hated Big Europe and Banks. When things were good I despised how people were spending money, I got told to promptly STFU, And now, That the #e has hit the fan, Everyone and their mother's suddenly knew "How it was going to happen all along!" and they know exactly how to fix the crisis and so on and so on. No, To hell with this country, To hell with the people of this country, I am not Irish, I live in Ireland, I was Born in Ireland, But I am not one of these imbeciles, I am not Irish.
Relax there.
Irish people are just like everybody else, they want to live in peace and happiness, and can you blame them?
Most people in Ireland have a very limited view of the situation. Frustration and anger is everywhere, and so is a feeling of helplessness and desperation.
Like most people everywhere the general population is not politically motivated. But more people are becoming so, even though the most prevalent sentiment in Ireland is cynicism, towards our government, towards the European Union, there still is a stoic stance taken by many.
I know that the Irish have a reputation for 'grumbling into their pints of guinness' as the world collapses around them, and in my opinion there are historical reasons for this. But do not write off the people of Eireann, at their hearts the Irish are good people.
Originally posted by HighMaintenance
reply to post by seamus
He was evicted on Wednesday.
Laois homeowner who stopped the sherrif left 'demoralised' after eviction
reply to post by captainnotsoobvious
Unfortunately, you are right, it is a load of nonsense. I remember when I first read the 'advice' on how to get out of paying the household charge that it made no sense to me, 'If you register, you accept the contract, if you don't register, you still accept the charge' I asked a few people posting the 'advice' how on earth that made sense and no one could explain it, as it doesn't apply to me, I didn't pursue the answer, but I did eventually get it here, even if I did find the headline somewhat patronising .
Originally posted by pshea38
Originally posted by Agit8dChop
BOOOM!
Headshot!
... finance that you banker stooge.
Ballsy fella, I wish the AMERICANS had balls like the Irish and actually stuck it to their corporate criminals!
The Irish are not so ballsy! Quite the opposite in fact!
We fell (distractedly and silently) for the BS, just like everyone else!
Now we are limp and sterile as a people, unwilling to engage and un-inclined tp act.
It doesn't bode well. For anyone!