Irish journalist leave Bankers speechless!

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posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 10:27 AM
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Originally posted by pshea38

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
BOOOM!
Headshot!
... finance that you banker stooge.

Ballsy fella, I wish the AMERICANS had balls like the Irish and actually stuck it to their corporate criminals!



The Irish are not so ballsy! Quite the opposite in fact!
We fell (distractedly and silently) for the BS, just like everyone else!


Oh really? Explain to me then this video of an Irishman stumping the sheriff come to evict his friends:




Now we are limp and sterile as a people, unwilling to engage and un-inclined tp act.
It doesn't bode well. For anyone!
Pleae refer to my post above concerning unconscionable contracts. I think you'll agree that you don't have the right to enslave your great-grandchildren.




posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 10:38 AM
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In fairness, Ireland is like any other place, it's people can't be simply categorised into one or two groups...



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 11:01 AM
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Originally posted by adventxero
reply to post by CosmicEgg
 

That is the worst idea I have ever heard. I am a financial coach as well as an avid ATS member. I completely agree with your argument regarding creditors. That is a broken system. American greed,


Excuse me? Have you forgotten WHO runs the banking system from the top? Hint: it's not Americans, or anyone with American loyalties.


impatience, and our need for instant gratification has led the credit institution to be what it is today.
I disagree. Technically, it is the practice of usury that has led to that. If there were reasonable fees charged for services rendered rather than usury, the landscape would be much different. There is a good reason that Rome had laws making it a capital crime to charge usury.

As far as removal of ALL banking activities?! Not smart and very bad advice! It seems you don't understand how the money and finance works. Which is really no fault of yours, because 99% of all people in America are taught absolutely nothing about money or finance.
and even those who are, are taught a version of the story that makes the banks the helper of the average man, rather than the predatory nothing-merchants. Why can a bank monetize my credit while I can't? How is it possible that a corporation, a fictional, human-created entity, has more power in that respect than any human being can wield? Only answer: your masters want it that way.



And before you try to chastise me about how I am the one who is wrong. I have a Series 6, 63, 26, and 65 investment licenses and I have been in the financial sector for some time now so I know a thing or two.
Yeah, about milking the cattle. Good for you. Your time is almost up; best get that visa to Paraguay ready.

Also, my job is to help families get out of debt and retire early, so my motives are noble ones.
Please. We can do without the condescending drivel. The noble motive of replacing 150,000 dollars in interest on money that was lent into existence with a mere 50,000 dollars in interest on money that was lent into existence. You're practically a knight in shining armor!



Also, if you take time to understand basic economics and inflationary trends, you would know that putting your money in your sock, mattress, or coffee can is a sure-fire way to wind up broke in 30yrs or so
As things stand today you are right. But as things were before the vapor-merchants got hold of the US banking system in 1913, it was a sensible thing to do.

As inflation rises, the buying power of the dollar weakens. Inflation average out to 4.75% in 2011 and has had a 50yr average of 4% which simply means that we have to work harder every year and our money buys less.
Unless you happen to be a vapor-merchant or oil speculator.



I my self only use my bank as a checking account, NOT an investment vehicle. I advise my clients to treat banks as such. Banks were designed to make sure you have liquid access to your money, NOT for wealth management.

In addition, it seems that the Irish government is in bed with the European banks. The Irish people are probably paying billions into non-guaranteed bonds because a few political entities saw a way to get rich through that deal.
therefore, it is NOT the people's problem.



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 11:02 AM
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BTW: The whole freeman movement is a load of bollocks.

Here's a thread on an Irish board (and full of Irish legal folks) wherein that whole video is debunked...

www.boards.ie...

Wish it was all true, but it's not



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 11:09 AM
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I wish we had some journalist left that were not sell outs, either they are sell outs or really clueless.
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posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 11:35 AM
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Dang, I wish people in the US knew their Constitution like the back of their hand. But, here in the US, when the cops show up to evict, they break your door down and taze you, possibly even drawing their weapons against you.

And we call this freedom?



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 11:39 AM
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reply to post by seamus
 


He was evicted on Wednesday.

Laois homeowner who stopped the sherrif left 'demoralised' after eviction



reply to post by captainnotsoobvious
 


Unfortunately, you are right, it is a load of nonsense. I remember when I first read the 'advice' on how to get out of paying the household charge that it made no sense to me, 'If you register, you accept the contract, if you don't register, you still accept the charge'
I asked a few people posting the 'advice' how on earth that made sense and no one could explain it, as it doesn't apply to me, I didn't pursue the answer, but I did eventually get it here, even if I did find the headline somewhat patronising
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posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 11:54 AM
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reply to post by Rockpuck
 

Again I call BS. The "Irish" didn't join the European Nations any more than the "Americans".

What happened was an internal coup.

We were all hijacked, when the so-called 'elected officials' (very few individuals) cut that deal with the Royals and Vatican (NWO) for their own power.

They(Europe)are now under the Committee...I think it was 26? From the Lisbon Treaty, and America is now under the Committee of 12. So much for the Senate and Congress.



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 12:20 PM
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WOW!! If only American "journalists" had balls like that. That was awesome.



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 01:54 PM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by xstealth
 


Nice.. well said, and is certainly the feelings of most Irish people..

But I have to say, he asked "why" .. and I'll tell you "why" the Irish have to bailout banks that have no relation to them, to insure European bond holders and international stake sharers .....

You joined the European Union.

And because you joined the European Union you deserve everything that happens to you.




Sad that Ireland joined the E.U when the majority of Irish were against it.
True that they have to pay and it's a shame.

This man is speaking for his people and from his heart. The least he could do.

Sometimes public humility is the best punishment (politically correct pillory)

It's up to the people, are they ready to fight? Or sit in the pubs and drown their sorrows, while having to stand outside to smoke? Irish have been getting shafted & doing nothing!

This mans speech is something an Irishman gave em. More Irish need to follow suit
As well. Maybe you can keep what's left of the ole emerald isle eh?



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 02:29 PM
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83%+ of Irish people voted for Ireland to join the nascent EU in 1973.

They also voted yes (69%) on the creation of the European currency.

And yes on the Single European Market treaty (70%).

Yes on the Amsterdam treaty (62%)..

And Yes on the Nice Treaty (63%).


Now you can say the Irish were uninformed or voting against their own interest, but you can't say they were forced into the EU.

They chose and choose to be part of the EU.



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
reply to post by thepupils
 


83%+ of Irish people voted for Ireland to join the nascent EU in 1973.

They also voted yes (69%) on the creation of the European currency.

And yes on the Single European Market treaty (70%).

Yes on the Amsterdam treaty (62%)..

And Yes on the Nice Treaty (63%













Yes! They choose & 1-2 generations later are regretting their ancestors political views.

Good old "Trick-o-Nomics" sounds good now...what about the future?.....huh?

Sad really having to deal with mom & dads grandma & grandpas
"good for the future" voting faith. Never have faith in a system that is created to collapse.

Star for you sir!


Now you can say the Irish were uninformed or voting against their own interest, but you can't say they were forced into the EU.

They chose and choose to be part of the EU.






posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 03:23 PM
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Why do nations have to borrow from investors rather than investors borrowing from the government? Of total fundamental importance this question that NO ONE(except the elite) can answer.......

Another fundamental question, which NO ONE seems to think off is: WHO is the government? Is it me, you, the aliens, masons???

Those 'that know' would agree. There is nothing wrong with lending money or any asset in return for a profit. If you come to me and ask "hey can I borrow 1,000 euro from you for one year"....I will say "ok but I want the going rate AT LEAST and make you sign a promissory note.

Commercial banks are no different BUT the government does NOT collect a single euro FROM BANKS until tax papers get filed each year. In other words the government of any nation I know off DOES NOT HAVE ACCESS TO MONEY UNTIL THAT TIME OF TAXATION! Why???

He who issues the currency....the central bank.......technically OWNS that money AND LENDS that money TO COMMERCIAL BANKS, who in turn then lend that money to companies and people for their share of profit. The problem is that the central bank IS PRIVATE and people think it is public. Socialism cannot sustain itself under such a pretentious system if the government rellies 100% on taxation and ZERO FROM prime rate collection.

To make matters infinitely worse is that with rampant uncontrolled globalisation companies are flocking to asia to reap the benefits of cheaper labor. The government(s) if it was not influenced by multinational corporations to such a huge extent would implement higher tariffs on all foreign goods and services, thus encouraging european and american firms to STAY HOME. Wall street investors, who are the spoiled kids on the block, would never allow themselves to see dwindling profits from such common sense measures. Greed always finds a way to take over.

So we have less tax funds generated in europe and america due to uncontrolled globalisation(loss of jobs and revenue) which means the government has less available income and can't even print its own money due to THE THREAT of inflation(imaginary excuse), which means the government has to ISSUE MORE BONDS(borrow) from "the international investors" to pay social services like unemployment and disability, which means eventually it will RUN DRY when credit agencies downgrade their bonds to junk status due to inability to make payments.

Who are these international investors? WHO ARE THE SHAREHOLDERS OF THE CENTRAL BANKS? In the usa the federal reserve is composed of commercial bank members, whom only they can borrow from the federal reserve. In other words everyone else has to borrow from other non-central banks.

I might have missed a few points here and there but I am trying to make people think more about basic stuff which appears to be hidden INTENTIONALLY, like that EU banker who made himself look stupid and totally unprepared.



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 03:46 PM
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Also the government has no business guaranteeing investors their money in case of catastrophic failure. ABSOLUTE ZERO BUSINESS!!!!!! As an investor you are supposed to TAKE A CHANCE on your money and if you lose that is 99% your problem.

As a tax payer it is way bad enough that I have to finance my make-believe government instead of the government financing ITSELF primarily through tariffs and prime rate collection... then if more funds are needed to sustain itself additional short term and limited taxation can be agreed upon and implemented. But the government takes for granted that everyone is braindead stupid and implicity proceeds to RIP OFF as many citizens as it can.

The EU is an even bigger scam as nations should be unconditionally sovereign. Alliances and unions can be created but to a limited degree that does not interfere with national sovereignity. What we have been seeing instead is unconditional and defacto european parliament with its own laws SUPERCEDING its member nations laws.

I would be outraged and all this to supposedly fight the big, bad usa which doesn't have its own sovereignty. Start digging for truth folks(i helped you) as you are taken for IMBECILES! Beleive me if I knew of a stronger word I would have used it, but my vocabulary is limited to laymen terms.



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 04:50 PM
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Originally posted by seabhac-rua

Originally posted by Mart0
I live in Ireland.
This journalist, While commendable and righteous, Does not represent the majority of Irish people.
Yes, We are all pissed off, Yes, We hate bankers and callously spit their names, But we are a castrated nation. We refuse to make change for ourselves. We seem to be waiting for some Superman to whisk us up and save us from our oppressive Government and big Europe.

No, We Irish people don't want change, We don't want stability, We just want to stand around and complain. Because that's all Irish people do, Complain.

Maybe I'm just bitter, I've always hated Big Europe and Banks. When things were good I despised how people were spending money, I got told to promptly STFU, And now, That the #e has hit the fan, Everyone and their mother's suddenly knew "How it was going to happen all along!" and they know exactly how to fix the crisis and so on and so on. No, To hell with this country, To hell with the people of this country, I am not Irish, I live in Ireland, I was Born in Ireland, But I am not one of these imbeciles, I am not Irish.


Relax there.

Irish people are just like everybody else, they want to live in peace and happiness, and can you blame them?

Most people in Ireland have a very limited view of the situation. Frustration and anger is everywhere, and so is a feeling of helplessness and desperation.

Like most people everywhere the general population is not politically motivated. But more people are becoming so, even though the most prevalent sentiment in Ireland is cynicism, towards our government, towards the European Union, there still is a stoic stance taken by many.

I know that the Irish have a reputation for 'grumbling into their pints of guinness' as the world collapses around them, and in my opinion there are historical reasons for this. But do not write off the people of Eireann, at their hearts the Irish are good people.

To add to this, just because people aren't rioting in the streets (probably a good thing, the last thing we need to do is destroy our cities and towns as well), doesn't mean they don't care. Things can change. Look how quickly things change in the decade from 1911 - 1921. In 1911, massive crowds turned out in Dulbin to welcome King George V to Dublin, union jacks being flown across the city, ten years later and we had fought a war of independence against Britain, gaining dominion status, with the allegience to the British Crown one of the big factors in starting the civil war



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 05:32 PM
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Originally posted by HighMaintenance
reply to post by seamus
 


He was evicted on Wednesday.

Laois homeowner who stopped the sherrif left 'demoralised' after eviction



reply to post by captainnotsoobvious
 


Unfortunately, you are right, it is a load of nonsense. I remember when I first read the 'advice' on how to get out of paying the household charge that it made no sense to me, 'If you register, you accept the contract, if you don't register, you still accept the charge'
I asked a few people posting the 'advice' how on earth that made sense and no one could explain it, as it doesn't apply to me, I didn't pursue the answer, but I did eventually get it here, even if I did find the headline somewhat patronising
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Regardless of the 'freeman' movement, whether you like it or not the household charge is a f**king scam and nobody except a coward should consider paying it.

Secondly, do you think that the 'state' has absolute authority over you? If you do then you are ignorant of your rights and nothing more than their subject, and also a coward.
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posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 06:17 PM
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I agree with you completely, the fact that I am not one of the 1.6 million that does have to pay it does not mean that I agree with it. I can't wait for the end of March to see just how many haven't paid and just what they're going to do about it. This is the form of protest that Ireland needs, they take no notice of citizenry waiving placards or the occupy camps, but this type of civil disobedience I like
and I'm behind it 100%!!! Since this thread isn't about the household charge, I'll leave it at that ...



Actually yes, I do know the state does not have absolute authority over me and I do know quite a bit more about my 'rights' than most of my neighbours do from being involved in the 'plant that shall not be named on ATS' community, also not related to this topic.
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posted on Mar, 17 2012 @ 04:56 AM
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Nice Find. S&F. glad you found this. I wish journalists in America had this kind of backbone.



posted on Mar, 17 2012 @ 06:50 AM
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Whether or not it's a scam it IS amazing how little uptake there's been... it's certainly been implemented in a mind-bogglingly retarded manner...

There's a new tax, go register for it online.... umm yeah sure...



posted on Mar, 18 2012 @ 09:22 AM
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Originally posted by pshea38

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
BOOOM!
Headshot!
... finance that you banker stooge.

Ballsy fella, I wish the AMERICANS had balls like the Irish and actually stuck it to their corporate criminals!



The Irish are not so ballsy! Quite the opposite in fact!
We fell (distractedly and silently) for the BS, just like everyone else!

Now we are limp and sterile as a people, unwilling to engage and un-inclined tp act.
It doesn't bode well. For anyone!

What happened to the IRA ffs take your country back, start f&**%^g some S^&t up





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