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Topic started on 26-2-2012 @ 05:40 PM by David9176
WASHINGTON - Republican presidential hopeful Rick Santorum said Sunday that he doesn't believe in the separation of church and state, adding that he was sickened by John F. Kennedy's assurances to Baptist ministers 52 years ago that he would not impose his Catholic faith on them.

"I don't believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute," Santorum, a devout Catholic, said in an interview from Michigan on ABC's "This Week."

"The First Amendment means the free exercise of religion and that means bringing people and their faith into the public square."


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I think this seals the end for Santorum. I don't know how he can go on and on about government overreach and then state something like this.

Nutty Santorum just keeps topping himself with outrageous statements. Santorum would not only like push his beliefs on those who are not religious, but impose them on those who have a different religion altogether.

I can't believe this guy is leading polls.....
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reply posted on 26-2-2012 @ 06:18 PM by SunnyDee
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So agree. Good post.

That said, if this guy stays on top, it will speak volumes to the mentality of our citizens and the direction the country is taking as a republic. Granted, I also think the votring system is rigged, so I can not hold the public completely responsible. It does seem though that the christians have taken a liking to him, constitution be damned.


reply posted on 26-2-2012 @ 06:25 PM by milominderbinder
Originally posted by David9176
WASHINGTON - Republican presidential hopeful Rick Santorum said Sunday that he doesn't believe in the separation of church and state, adding that he was sickened by John F. Kennedy's assurances to Baptist ministers 52 years ago that he would not impose his Catholic faith on them.

"I don't believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute," Santorum, a devout Catholic, said in an interview from Michigan on ABC's "This Week."

"The First Amendment means the free exercise of religion and that means bringing people and their faith into the public square."


news.yahoo.com...

I think this seals the end for Santorum. I don't know how he can go on and on about government overreach and then state something like this.

Nutty Santorum just keeps topping himself with outrageous statements. Santorum would not only like push his beliefs on those who are not religious, but impose them on those who have a different religion altogether.

I can't believe this guy is leading polls.....
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Oh...I can believe it. He's in a dead heat with Gingrich for the being the most ignorant...however, Santorum brings the added benefit of religious kookery along with his fascism.

Why WOULDN'T he be the front runner. Are we talking about the same United States that I'm familiar with??


reply posted on 26-2-2012 @ 06:29 PM by FugitiveSoul

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Well I think Santrum is off the deep end, his statement of having faith of a religion that can not be totally be separated from the office holder and he also believes their is nothing wrong with that.

Our founding fathers realized this too and set up insurances for this , so that places like the Vatican could never have influence on the level they did during the dark ages. They absolutely realized that personal faith was good and never intended for the level of separation people like you try to force on all .


People like me, huh?

"My opinion is that there would never have been an infidel, if there had never been a priest. The artificial structures they have built on the purest of all moral systems, for the purpose of deriving from it pence and power, revolts those who think for themselves, and who read in that system only what is really there." ~Thomas Jefferson

Every religion begins pure. Very soon, you'll find, all religions become infiltrated by the wicked and the greedy. The bible is as a tool for evil as it is a tool for love. That goes for every holy book. The founding fathers new this. Just like people "like me."




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reply posted on 26-2-2012 @ 06:41 PM by Azadok
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Well if we had some leaders with good religious convictions we would have never started the federal reserve or blown up our trade center killing thousands of people for prophet . But then again this is what you get with godless people and I do not need a history lesson on what the catholic church did hundreds of years ago . I am reeling to real Gd fearing people not the ones that profess to be for votes. Of course now that voting is automated the point is moot.


reply posted on 26-2-2012 @ 06:50 PM by OldCurmudgeon
My concern has always considered the fact that the term, the 'separation between church and state', sometimes called the "wall of separation between church and state" is a mostly a one way street protecting the rights of religion, but doing little if anything to protect government against interference by religion.


en.wikipedia.org...

The First Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ...." and Article VI specifies that "no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

Jefferson's metaphor of a wall of separation has been cited repeatedly by the U.S. Supreme Court. In Reynolds v. United States (1879) the Court wrote that Jefferson's comments "may be accepted almost as an authoritative declaration of the scope and effect of the [First] Amendment." In Everson v. Board of Education (1947), Justice Hugo Black wrote: "In the words of Thomas Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect a wall of separation between church and state."[2]

However, I find it very interesting in what I can easily interrupt as a group having or imposing a religious belief on individuals in a smaller or different group by creating and enforcing a law by virtue of favored individuals in a position of power, i.e. POTUS as has already been described in rulings regarding the rights of individuals by SCOTUS referring to Section 1 of the 14th amendment under Discrimination and to continue, although originally ruled under 'Sexual Orientation' clearly stating SCOTUS "held that the amendment violated the Equal Protection Clause because the amendment was motivated by a bare desire to harm a politically unpopular group, which is never a legitimate governmental interest.

Discrimination is the prejudicial treatment of an individual based on their membership in a certain group or category. It involves the actual behaviors towards groups such as excluding or restricting members of one group from opportunities that are available to another group. The term began to be used as an expression of derogatory racial prejudice in the 1830s from Thomas D. Rice's performances as "Jim Crow".



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