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and why would there not have been an exchange of ideas, from the Middle East all the way to China, and if so, might the "Three Wise Men from the Orient", the three Kings, not in fact be Lao Tzu, Confucius, and Guatama Buddha, and their three precious gifts - the three living streams of Taoism, Confucianism and Buddhism, philosophical streams of thought which also flowed out of Indian Region (the far east), via deep mediation practices and yes the deep comtemplation of the experience of Atma to Brahma (son to father? Clue 8), with China in this case presenting the FAR east or the "Orient"! That whole ragion was the east and the far east, and there is no reason to believe that those ancient historians weren't correct, that the tribe of the Jews, caucasians, came out of and were very strongly influenced by that region and it's deep philosophical depth and authentic spiritual experience, for almost 3000 years, out of which the streems of Taoism, flowed in the other direction.
I am ever present to those who have realized me in every creature. Seeing all life as my manifestation, they are never separated from me. They worship me in the hearts of all, and all their actions proceed from me. Wherever they may live, they abide in me. (6:30-31)
When a person resonds to the joys and sorrows of others as if they were his own, he has attained the highest state of spiritual union. (6:32)
That one I love who is incapable of ill will, who is friendly and compassionate (12:13)
They alone see truly who see the Lord the same in every creature, who see the deathless in the hearts of all that die. Seeing the same Lord everywhere, they do not harm themselves or others. Thus they attain the supreme goal. (13:27-28)
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
That tree of life of Jewish Mystical tradition surely arose and was developed from the old old Vedic meditations and understanding drawn therefrom.
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by AuranVector
That's very interesting indeed.
I would like to add this re: The Bhagavad Gita, for additional context
The Bhagavad Gita
Introduction by Eknath Easwaran
Jesus recruitment of the woman at the well + village (reframes God as "spirit and truth")
4 Now he had to go through Samaria. 5 So he came to a town in Samaria called Sychar, near the plot of ground Jacob had given to his son Joseph. 6 Jacob’s well was there, and Jesus, tired as he was from the journey, sat down by the well. It was about noon.
7 When a Samaritan woman came to draw water, Jesus said to her, “Will you give me a drink?” 8 (His disciples had gone into the town to buy food.)
9 The Samaritan woman said to him, “You are a Jew and I am a Samaritan woman. How can you ask me for a drink?” (For Jews do not associate with Samaritans.[a])
10 Jesus answered her, “If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water.”
11 “Sir,” the woman said, “you have nothing to draw with and the well is deep. Where can you get this living water? 12 Are you greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well and drank from it himself, as did also his sons and his livestock?”
13 Jesus answered, “Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again, 14 but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”
15 The woman said to him, “Sir, give me this water so that I won’t get thirsty and have to keep coming here to draw water.”
16 He told her, “Go, call your husband and come back.”
17 “I have no husband,” she replied.
Jesus said to her, “You are right when you say you have no husband. 18 The fact is, you have had five husbands, and the man you now have is not your husband. What you have just said is quite true.”
19 “Sir,” the woman said, “I can see that you are a prophet. 20 Our ancestors worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem.”
21 “Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”
25 The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) “is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us.”
26 Then Jesus declared, “I, the one speaking to you—I am he.”
The Disciples Rejoin Jesus
27 Just then his disciples returned and were surprised to find him talking with a woman. But no one asked, “What do you want?” or “Why are you talking with her?”
28 Then, leaving her water jar, the woman went back to the town and said to the people, 29 “Come, see a man who told me everything I ever did. Could this be the Messiah?” 30 They came out of the town and made their way toward him.
31 Meanwhile his disciples urged him, “Rabbi, eat something.”
32 But he said to them, “I have food to eat that you know nothing about.”
33 Then his disciples said to each other, “Could someone have brought him food?”
34 “My food,” said Jesus, “is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work. 35 Don’t you have a saying, ‘It’s still four months until harvest’? I tell you, open your eyes and look at the fields! (the townsfolk were on their way) They are ripe for harvest. 36 Even now the one who reaps draws a wage and harvests a crop for eternal life, so that the sower and the reaper may be glad together. 37 Thus the saying ‘One sows and another reaps’ is true. 38 I sent you to reap what you have not worked for. Others have done the hard work, and you have reaped the benefits of their labor.”
Abraham was born in the Chaldean City of Ur, Mesopotamia, to Terah, his father. At birth he was named Abram.
Josephus, Islamic tradition, and Jewish authorities like Maimonides all concur that Ur of the Chaldees was in northern Mesopotamia — now southeastern Turkey.
Many Samaritans Believe
39 Many of the Samaritans from that town believed in him because of the woman’s testimony, “He told me everything I ever did.” 40 So when the Samaritans came to him, they urged him to stay with them, and he stayed two days. 41 And because of his words many more became believers.
42 They said to the woman, “We no longer believe just because of what you said; now we have heard for ourselves, and we know that this man really is the Savior of the world.”
February 26th, 2012
The planets Jupiter, Venus and the Moon are seen in whats called a Triple Conjunction.
No matter where you are on Earth – as soon as darkness falls on February 26, 2012 – look west, the direction of sunset. You’ll see the moon and the brightest planets Jupiter and Venus lighting up your western sky. As seen from North America, the waxing crescent moon and Jupiter snuggle up close enough to occupy a single binocular field.
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
And on a figure on a ancient wall in India a symbol from Hinduism this word 'Omm' is centered in the connection of the triangle female symbol and the upright triangle male symbol.
The so called Star of David is not a symbol from Judaism, but a symbol form the Vedic religion of the ancient India, that is worshiping the reunion of man and wife. The symbol and the hidden meaning from Hinduism of this symbol was known by teachers of the Jewish mysticism and has found over them its way to the present Jewish culture.
Shiva is preserved in the Hebrew Genesis as chavvah ( = eve ) ( “life-giver” ) as the female life together with the Hebrew chayim ("Life").
Vedic Timeline and History
The whole thing originated in ancient India, from Taoism, to Judaism, Islamic, Christian, Buddhist.
In his History of the Jews, the Jewish scholar and theologian Flavius Josephus (37 - 100 A.D.), wrote that the Greek philosopher Aristotle had said: "...These Jews are derived from the Indian philosophers; they are named by the Indians Calani." (Book I:22.)
Clearchus of Soli wrote, "The Jews descend from the philosophers of India. The philosophers are called in India Calanians and in Syria Jews. The name of their capital is very difficult to pronounce. It is called 'Jerusalem.'"
"Megasthenes, who was sent to India by Seleucus Nicator, about three hundred years before Christ, and whose accounts from new inquiries are every day acquiring additional credit, says that the Jews 'were an Indian tribe or sect called Kalani...'" (Anacalypsis, by Godfrey Higgins, Vol. I; p. 400.)
Martin Haug, Ph.D., wrote in The Sacred Language, Writings, and Religions of the Parsis, "The Magi are said to have called their religion Kesh-î-Ibrahim.They traced their religious books to Abraham, who was believed to have brought them from heaven." (p. 16.)
I Brahman = Abraham
And so, when we look to the origins of all the major religious traditions of the world, we must look to the "Sacred Science" of Brahmavidya in ancient India, which may predate ancient Egypt.
Main article: Indus Valley Civilization
3300 BC: antecedents of the Indus Valley Civilization begin with the Ravi phase, eventually becoming one of the world's three earliest urban civilizations, contemporary to Mesopotamia and Ancient Egypt.
That is where the process began, through their deep searching of a "first cause" and the uncreated creator of the unmanifested, made manifest.
"The kingdom of heaven is within."
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
Here is another clue or piece of the puzzle for those who wish to investigate (and I'm not talking about the sins of the church here, or am I?).
from the discussion thread
Jesus is NOT a copy from Pagan religions! Those are lies! Do research and do not believe!
probably best, that this info is in very small fine print, because it involves a very painful and a rather heretical hidden truth about the underlying nature of the thorn surrounding Jesus' sacred heart, but it, the realization here ought to evoke in us our sympathy and compassionate understanding, not revulsion, and since God turns all things to the greater good, and transcends the duality of good and evil, He makes his grace and glory known even in the face of, and in spite of, certain difficulties and challenges, even employing them in his service, and as they say - God works in mysterious ways, by joining the fray when needed at the most, or even at the apparently least, appropriate time, whatever is required to ultimately reveal his greater glory, and his joy, perhaps especially at the expense of and/or in the face of all evil.
edit on 1-3-2012 by NewAgeMan because: the truth is better than a pale imitation, sheds more light.
Originally posted by XXX777
You need to read H.P. Blavatsky. She tells this story including her feelings about the Jews. Blavatsky says people have been on Earth looking up at the stars and recording planet and constellation positions for at least 8 million years. It makes sense. You must read her books. She makes perfect sense. There are even books written about Blavatsky that try to make her look like a lunatic. It is obvious somebody doesn't want you to get the real story.