Originally posted by rebellender
reply to post by Magnificient
think Lucifer causing 1/3 of the angels to fall is an end-time prediction and nothing that's already happened. He desires to exalt his throne above
the stars of god, but I've seen nothing to indicate that this has already happened.
No sorry hate to say it but it was written in The Revelation but was referred to as an earlier event pre-modern man.
The Book of Urantia goes into detail about it but Urantia has been Hoaxed. I suspect that the Fall is detailed by the Mormon Faith
there were a couple of events where human went to visit the creator. The creator was finding more and more favor with humans. Lucifer was getting more
and more jealous of man. He finally got pissed and laid down an ultimatum. Creator said Fine you want to be god go to earth and be god. Not in these
words though obviously. I speak English, I don't know what they speak
edit on 16-2-2012 by rebellender because: (no reason given)
In the Old Testament, the creator of man is the God of Israel or YHWH (Yahweh). Yahweh enters into a covenant with Moses and the people of Isreal as
he had previously did with Abraham. The people must abide by the sociopolitical moral rules given unto them by the creator and offer up sacrifices to
him in exchange for protection. You are incorrect in your account, Lucifer or Ba'al (as he was called back then) was loved by man.! He was worshiped
before his fall, and eventually more than Yahweh. This greatly angered Yahweh but Lucifer was not to blame, it was the isrealiite tribes that praised
Lucifer, and eventually Lucifer let the praise get to his head and thought he should be Yahweh...To give an ultimatum would mean that the two were
equal but this is obviously not true. Did you know in the Old Testament it depicts a pantheon or council of Gods, with Yahweh as creator and and king
of those gods? They're called bene 'elyon or sons of the Most High (Yahweh)
See Kings 22:19
Let's all pretend like we don't know the story of Lucifer, and that we're reading the scriptures for the first time. We are to read it literally as
is, applying interpretation only when it is absolutely necessary. Let's not name names until names are given. That's the best way to maintain
The first reference of a fall of a divine being is within Isiah 14:12-15:
"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast
said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in
the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Sheol or שְׁאוֹל: means underworld and the place where all the dead go is the word most innacurately translated to hell.THere is no such
thing as fiery eternal damnation
Lucifer is said to be cast down to Sheol or the underworld. All sons of ADAM or mortal men must go to Sheol when they die, but seeing as Lucifer was a
divine being at the time of his fall he simply was stripped of his immortality and what is being said is he will eventually suffer the same fate as
sons of ADAM or death.
Lucifer means shining one
Lucifer - Margin, 'Day-star' (הילל hēylēl, from הלל hâlal, "to shine")
Psalm 82:6 further illustrates that Lucifer was stripped of his "godly" title and subsequently akined to man
"I have said, you are gods and all of you the
sons of the most High (bene 'elyon)
But you shall die like Adam, and fall like one of the Shining Ones
I'm not making any of this up, try for yourselves, see what's really there.
Oh and wasn't Joseph Mormon a theist and a 33rd degree freemason?
If you were to study any parallel mythologies, study Ugaritic mythology