The Dark Side of the Web

THE DARK SIDE OF THE WEB

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A hidden part of the internet where paedophiles, drug dealers and gun smugglers can ply their trade without fear of being identified. Supporters of it say it's played a key role in facilitating free speech for people living under oppressive regimes but critics fear it's being exploited by sophisticated criminal gangs operating under the radar of the authorities.

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This is the online equivalent of knowing some very dodgy individuals , who for a price will sort you out with what you are looking for. I myself am happy to read about this place , but have no intention of even trying to find it , that said , this place lies in the background to us all surfing the net day and night , dealing in drugs and under age pornography etc. Anon seem to be on the case , like an ethernet super hero , good stuff.
BBC 5 live radio program is available for 7 days as of this date posted , don't think it is available outside the UK

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Erm....

You should probably do some research before badmouthing the Darknet. Tor and I2P are programs used by freedom-loving individuals, activists, protesters, news media and whistleblowers all over the world. It's a 'shadow internet' on which you are untraceable.

Anonymous has a massive presence on it, and any time anyone tries to use it for evil purposes, they get shut down pretty quick.

reply to post by zanysami


I hear you , I am just the messenger . I am only bringing the subject to the attention of other members , as I post this I am listening to the BBC 5 radio feed and someone is saying that it allows freedom of expression etc , they are 100% defending the DarkWeb , the presenter is pointing out the illegal downsides.

Originally posted by zanysami
Erm....

You should probably do some research before badmouthing the Darknet. Tor and I2P are programs used by freedom-loving individuals, activists, protesters, news media and whistleblowers all over the world. It's a 'shadow internet' on which you are untraceable.

Anonymous has a massive presence on it, and any time anyone tries to use it for evil purposes, they get shut down pretty quick.

I dont think so. 1- the is nothing hidden about the "Dark Side" of the web, as it really is very simple to trace someone on it if you want. 2- Just visiting it will 70% of the time try to install a virus on your pc.
3- it Sucks plan and simple, and any info there can be found else ware.
Anyway i just love people that think they are l33t by using the "dark web", when all it is is a sucky place with # speeds and nothing to find that you cant find on the normal web

reply to post by Droidinvoid


Couldn't be any worse than Craigslist, that place is a cesspool.

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Great post , I am a neewbie to the DarkWeb ...........happy to be shot down by members who know this stuff, period.

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This thread is like one guy being late to the Party.

There is a website known as Silk Road, only accessible through anonymous nets, that can send contraband to you for the right price. Escaping with it once it is in your hands is another matter entirely.

There is a network known as LOIC, low orbit ion cannon, and it is used to DDOS websites that Anonymous wants taken out for the reasons of political power.

We know this, you brought nothing to the discussion except the fear-mongering of the mainstream media when it comes to places like these.

There are White Hat Hackers who use the same tools Black Hats do, you will find both on the internet.

Sometimes you will find images when talking about 'Deep Web' that talk about icebergs, and how the 'Above the waterline' Mainstream Internet is only a small bit of what sites there are.

Not all the sites below the mainstream are hacker tools, some are merely obscure sites talking about the topics that they want to. Not all the sites above the 'water line' of our collective consciousness are morally in the right.

Twitter started censoring tweets based on country codes; where you are is what you get. They're "above" the waterline and act like they have something to hide. Those below the waterline can show you what twitter hides fairly easily, using proxies in other nations we can side-step the twitter censors.

"Dark" doesn't imply evil, but ignorance of the dark underlines fear.

I've been onto the "darkweb" a few time. It seemed pretty darn slow. And my computer started telling me that savvis and the navy were trying to look into my computer. Personally I don't recommend the place unless you have good firewalls etc. and have a good understanding of computers and the internet.

Just playing devils advocate here... although 99% of the stuff on the Hidden Wiki is downright disgusting (HackerBB makes for an interesting read if you're into computer security), I really hope mass media don't latch onto the whole "Darknet" thing... if they do I can guarantee that both the media and politicians/lobby groups will demonize Tor, Tor clones and any other service that is designed to hide your identity online.

After all, when was the last time mass media identified an issue with a single person/subset of people and didn't dedicate their existence to demonizing an entire group of people or the technology they used? Australian media are extremely prone to doing this (the whole "evil P-plater" nonsense that pops up every few months, the "all car enthusiasts are hoons and should be put down" stories, the ridiculous stories about violent video games that make it out as though video games were the cause of the holocaust etc).

If they do vomit up their usual array of hugely exaggerated stories what will happen is politicians will jump on the bandwagon to enact laws to get easy votes ("won't somebody think of the children!") and you can say goodbye to one of the few avenues available to get your opinion heard by millions of people without big-brother knocking on your door or censoring what you can/cannot say.

I say let Anonymous do their thing..they are far more likely to have a positive impact on getting rid of this sort of material than the FBI are. The FBI has to follow laws which restricts their ability to deal with this stuff (they've known about these sites for a long time but are powerless to do anything about it). Anonymous on the other hand are more free to break laws in order to take down the slimeballs...can't really see a child porn operator going to the police to complain that some hacker just toasted his servers

reply to post by Sachyriel


exactly:

stolen credit cards = everywere in the "normal" net (its called "carding")

drugs per mail = same, a bit more hidden but if your not a completly looser with google you will find what you need

hacking service = same, goes mostly hand in hand with carding

contract killers = BS, even on the dark-net

weapons and stuff = you will get ripped (not saying that its impossible to obtain some via dark net but the chance to find some legit source is the same than in the "normal" net)

so "special" information = nothing, you will find all of them in the "normal" net

pedophilia = every night on 4chan...or vid**rn, mother**ss...there is more in the "normal" net than in the dark net


so in the end we see the dark net is kinda obsolete....

the encryption services like TOR and stuff are a good thing because of freedom of speech in countrys like North Korea or China or the content mafia in europe...

Originally posted by Droidinvoid
reply to post by zanysami

 

I hear you , I am just the messenger . I am only bringing the subject to the attention of other members , as I post this I am listening to the BBC 5 radio feed and someone is saying that it allows freedom of expression etc , they are 100% defending the DarkWeb , the presenter is pointing out the illegal downsides.

You have to admit though, the media won't report on a story unless paedophiles, murders, or contraband smugglers are something to do with it.

The thing is, paedophile rings, murderers and even contraband smugglers rarely get shut down on the open internet, in the cases where these people are covering their tracks and keeping a low profile makes sense. But in actual fact, we hear all these reports of highup places such as the pentagon, scotland yard, and many other world police/authorities/centers not bothering to investigate things such as child abuse... even though people are reporting it on a common basis.

Put tor out of the question for a moment and the "paedo/murderer/druggy" argument can be used to describe the open internet, including social meeting sites such as the obvious facebook or twitter.

It does happen and it still happens because most authorities rarely bother to investigate. Personal opinion; there is no money advantage to seizing asset's from a paedophile ring, lawyers are more interested in going after copyright suits.

Originally posted by mcdgray129

I dont think so. 1- the is nothing hidden about the "Dark Side" of the web, as it really is very simple to trace someone on it if you want.

It's not 'simple' but can be done by people who have the know how. Mostly this would pertain to law enforcement on easily available CP/weapons websites.

2- Just visiting it will 70% of the time try to install a virus on your pc.

no

3- it Sucks plan and simple, and any info there can be found else ware.

no

Anyway i just love people that think they are l33t by using the "dark web", when all it is is a sucky place with # speeds and nothing to find that you cant find on the normal web

You have to know people to get access to onion sites that aren't listed publicly on TorDir or HiddenWiki etc. That's the whole point of the "darknet." The "clearnet" has information publicly available through search. Darknet does not.

A hidden part of the internet where paedophiles, drug dealers and gun smugglers can ply their trade without fear of being identified. Supporters of it say it's played a key role in facilitating free speech for people living under oppressive regimes but critics fear it's being exploited by sophisticated criminal gangs operating under the radar of the authorities.

Did these people JUST find out about Craig's list or something?

the deep web is important, its a double edged sword.

but think of it this way.



take it away, and the bad guys will always find a way.


just like the second amendment debates.

if they make it so nobody is allowed guns, then good people wont be able to defend themselves.

the bad guys will ALWAYS find a way to get a gun.

getting rid of it is a bad idea.

Originally posted by JoshF

A hidden part of the internet where paedophiles, drug dealers and gun smugglers can ply their trade without fear of being identified. Supporters of it say it's played a key role in facilitating free speech for people living under oppressive regimes but critics fear it's being exploited by sophisticated criminal gangs operating under the radar of the authorities.

Did these people JUST find out about Craig's list or something?

edit on 6-2-2012 by JoshF because: (no reason given)

the solution to stopping control freaks and "puppy-guarding ultra-sheltering mommy-government" is to simply not tell them that a certain website exists LOL...

they are like "what is deepweb???" jk

O_O

reply to post by Hessdalen


Yes, but the difference is the dark net makes tracking of dubious individuals harder / impossible. Only the naive would choose not to believe that a place such as the dark net will attract crims, paedos etc for this exact reason.

It's all very well packaging it up as something for freedom loving individuals - well, those freedom loving individuals are actually just doing what they want, when they want without wanting to face the consequences.

Pretty selfish to me.

reply to post by ComeFindMe


true true, thats why i dont like the dark-web - like i said all the "services" can be found in the normal web - so the "dark net" should be shut down so TOR and stuff get back to their roots....

but criminals will always find a way...maybe its just smart that they occupied (trolololo) the darknet...

they are also invisible in the normal net - vpn+ vic socks chain + neighbours wlan is pretty much impossible to backtrace

reply to post by r3axion

3- it Sucks plan and simple, and any info there can be found else ware.



no

please give me an example of the kind of information you're just able to find via dark-net...