The Dark Side of the Web

reply to post by Hessdalen


Very good question - though I expect the answer will be something like "looollloolool dl it to find out mate!" or something else along those lines. I'd be surprised if it actually amounted to anything like 'information' - perhaps other than on the dark web itself.

I think Tor is right for several reasons.

1) They are just plain right, anonymity is a service and a tool which we can't afford to lose.

2) Criminals would just go elsewhere and take advantage of someone else.

3) Pedophiles would trade child porn through some other medium or might even abuse actual kids instead.

Originally posted by Hessdalen
reply to post by r3axion

 

3- it Sucks plan and simple, and any info there can be found else ware.



no

please give me an example of the kind of information you're just able to find via dark-net...

A lot of it are private hacking communities, and the information and learning you're able to receive can't be found on the clearnet or without a lifetime of experience. Other groups such as Anonymous have their own private sites as well. Some boards are a discussion place between terrorist/revolutionary groups. Others, I have no idea about so I can't speak for them. There are tons of e-books uploaded that aren't available normally. There's some military documents as well such as how to make your own weapons and C4, how to make and set up booby traps, how to interrogate and the psychology behind it, MOUT training guides, Jungle, urban, mountain survival guides, and the list goes on.

The darknet isn't for people who are expecting super top secret documents or pictures of aliens or some #. The darknet contains more information than the entire clearnet. You just have to know people to gain access since the sites aren't indexed publicly or found via search.

Here's some more info.

link

Public information on the Deep Web is currently 400-550 times larger than the commonly-defined World Wide Web.
The Deep Web contains 7,500 terabytes of information, compared to 19 on the Surface Web.
Deep Web contains nearly 550 billion individual documents compared to one billion on the Surface Web.
More than 200,000 Deep Web sites presently exist.
Total quality of the Deep Web is 1,000 to 2,000 times greater than that of the Surface Web.
Deep Web content is highly relevant to every information need, market, and domain.
More than half of Deep Web contents reside in topic-specific database.
Content of the Deep Web is evaluated by experts
Information on Deep Web is more comprehensive than that of the Surface Web.

reply to post by ComeFindMe


Maybe you should have waited before you made a retarded comment.

Originally posted by r3axion
reply to post by ComeFindMe

 

Maybe you should have waited before you made a retarded comment.

Congratulations for the offensive comment. I still stand by mine. There is nothing of use on the dark web or dark net.

If its so wonderful, why hasnt this ellusive material been copied over by honourable individuals - denying such vital information from the masses is, after all, why the PTB get slated here. Oh wait, its all material that got posted on the internet then got taken down cos it was illegal. How to make weapons, bombs, wage warfare. All stuff on a need to know basis that, frankly, you dont need to know.

Alot of it is relating to hacking, so it is self-serving in that respect. I fail to see how it would benefit anyone other than hackers, deviants or criminals. If you can provide some sort of proof of dark webs benevolance then I would be more than happy to review that comment.

Originally posted by ComeFindMe

Originally posted by r3axion
reply to post by ComeFindMe

 

Maybe you should have waited before you made a retarded comment.

Congratulations for the offensive comment. I still stand by mine. There is nothing of use on the dark web or dark net.

If its so wonderful, why hasnt this ellusive material been copied over by honourable individuals - denying such vital information from the masses is, after all, why the PTB get slated here. Oh wait, its all material that got posted on the internet then got taken down cos it was illegal. How to make weapons, bombs, wage warfare. All stuff on a need to know basis that, frankly, you dont need to know.

Alot of it is relating to hacking, so it is self-serving in that respect. I fail to see how it would benefit anyone other than hackers, deviants or criminals. If you can provide some sort of proof of dark webs benevolance then I would be more than happy to review that comment.

Offensive? I apologize if you took offense that I pointed out a moronic comment you made, and that my reply was not what you expected it to be. I don't need to provide any "proof" for anything because I never made any of the claims you're assuming I've made. I provided information that the deepnet contains 7500 terabytes of information, as opposed to 19 on the clearnet, so obviously there will be information available that is not accessible on the clearnet. I was asked for examples of what that information is, and I provided some. I can't help if "you" or anyone else find it intriguing or not, but many people do, and that's what it's there for. What you find "of use" is subjective, and other people find it useful. It's an unregulated part of the internet. No one is trying to tell you to go look and use it, and no one asked your opinion on it regardless, so it isn't needed. I have no idea what you feel the need to be so offensive about, but thanks for your input anyway.

reply to post by r3axion


By offensive I was referring to the 'retarded' comment - call me stupid, idiotic but retarded, for me, is not an appropriate word.

you are completely correct that 'use' is subjective - but your post and reference clearly imply that by holding a significantly higher amount of information, the dark web is equal to or greater than the normal web in terms of importance and wealth of information. you could have 80000 terabytes of information, but if its all fridge freezer manuals then its hardly useful, valid or appropriate to draw comparison with.

I do find the dark web tremendously fascinating - what I am annoyed by is the implication of its users that it is some sort of superior resource - when, in actual fact, the materials stored within it are typically of a deviant variety.

Its disappointing that many people may feel misled into believing that the dark web is some kind of nirvana - particularly when MSM articles contradicting this view are published and subsequently scrutinised by members here - yet it actually seems such articles are fairly accurate.

Originally posted by ComeFindMe
reply to post by r3axion

 

By offensive I was referring to the 'retarded' comment - call me stupid, idiotic but retarded, for me, is not an appropriate word.

you are completely correct that 'use' is subjective - but your post and reference clearly imply that by holding a significantly higher amount of information, the dark web is equal to or greater than the normal web in terms of importance and wealth of information. you could have 80000 terabytes of information, but if its all fridge freezer manuals then its hardly useful, valid or appropriate to draw comparison with.

I do find the dark web tremendously fascinating - what I am annoyed by is the implication of its users that it is some sort of superior resource - when, in actual fact, the materials stored within it are typically of a deviant variety.

Its disappointing that many people may feel misled into believing that the dark web is some kind of nirvana - particularly when MSM articles contradicting this view are published and subsequently scrutinised by members here - yet it actually seems such articles are fairly accurate.

edit on 7-2-2012 by ComeFindMe because: (no reason given)

I apologize for the use of the word. Just my slang coming out lol.

All I did was state that there is information there that is not available on the regular internet, which is true. Whether some people may find it important or not, doesn't change that fact. What makes the darknet a better source for information is there are databases for specific topics. If you were to search google for anything, chances are half the pages are going to be complete crap and not contain anything you're looking for. The darknet makes it easier to access specific types of information. In the link I posted above there are some database links that you can search on. Completely safe, and you don't need Tor or anything. The darknet is specifically information that won't show up in google or other mainstream search engines. People make it sound more ominous than it really is. Tor and .onion sites are just a small part of this information, and the onion sites are what is harder to locate. It's essentially creating an invisible website that no one will know about unless you give them the URL. that's why a lot of information has the ability to remain secret.

I think a lot of people are praising Tor because in a time where security is becoming more and more appreciated by people, Tor is like a safe haven for anonymity. With the patriot act, NDAA, and various other bills trying to make their way through Congress to sensor the internet, it's nice to know there's a place you can go and talk to people who feel the same way you do without the amount of risk there would be on the surface internet. Do people abuse this anonymity? Yes, some do completely. Lots of sickos with their child porn, and internet drug deals. But where there's a feeling of security, you're always going to get people doing things like that until they get caught. And a lot of those places may just be sting operations, too. The government isn't ignorant to Tor and how people use it, but it's definitely safer than talking about things that will just show up with a simple google search, you know what I mean? Using Tor makes you a LOT harder to track down because your IP is constantly bouncing around multiple servers across the world and changing.

I bet if you take a paragraph posted from the first page of this thread and paste it into google, it'll pull this up right away. And now with google changing their security policy to comply with government regulations, nothing is really safe here anymore so people are moving more "underground"

reply to post by r3axion


Thats fair enough, in retrospect i'll admit I didnt anticipate such an eloquent defence of the dark net so I do apologise if I was overtly aggressive in my stance toward you!

You have raised a couple of valid points there - my issue is primarily with those who see anything more libertarian as 'better' which, to me, just isn't correct.

reply to post by ComeFindMe


No problem brother, sorry for coming off rude.

I agree with you though. As with anything, there are ups and downs, positives and negatives. But if you know what to stay away from, it's a pretty neat thing.

Some drug dealers have hijacked my dead husband's name and email address and apparently his contact list and have been emailing me with their ads. They sell prescription drugs and knockoffs of prescription drugs without prescriptions so I guess you might call them borderline. I find this disturbing, to say the least.

I reported this to my email server. So far they have blocked them from access to my site but haven't closed them out.

Originally posted by zanysami
Erm....

You should probably do some research before badmouthing the Darknet. Tor and I2P are programs used by freedom-loving individuals, activists, protesters, news media and whistleblowers all over the world. It's a 'shadow internet' on which you are untraceable.

Anonymous has a massive presence on it, and any time anyone tries to use it for evil purposes, they get shut down pretty quick.

Laughably biased account.

Don't act as if Anonymous isn't involved in some highly illegal activities, many of which make the stomach churn.