Did Iran's Supreme Leader Admit Iran's Nuclear Weapons Ambition?

Its funny how it is that as soon as we end one war (Iraq) all of a sudden there is all this alleged talk (propaganda) about another country in the region (Iran) who is supposedly saying this, and saying that, and a threat to this, and a threat to that. Basically the next "boogieman" that should be feared throughout all of the universe. .

Bunch of propaganda. Doesn't anyone use their brains anymore?

No wonder they think we the people are so DAMNED stupid. Just look at the fools here on the forums who are supposedly here to "deny ignorance".

One war ends, and the propaganda for the NEXT WAR begins. Thats the well-oiled war-machine for you.

Maryam Rajavi: Iran regime expedites move towards the nuclear bomb (April 8, 2008)...

www.ncr-iran.org...

On February 20, the Iranian Resistance revealed that the clerical regime was pursuing the manufacture of nuclear warheads in Khojir in Hemat's Industrial Complex of the Aerospace Organization.

Any delay or pinning hope on possible negotiations with the regime would only provide time to the mullahs who view obtaining nuclear weapons as a strategic guarantor of their survival and will not give it up under any circumstances.

And for those of you who think that Iran is only trying to protect themselves and "survive" against Israel and the U.S., think again.


They're trying to hold Shia dominance in a region where they're surrounded by Sunnis.


en.wikipedia.org...


Why else do they consider Sunnis to be a national security threat?

“Sunni Islam has spread widely in Ahwaz and nearby provinces and the Iranian authorities consider this as a threat to their national security,” Abdul Karim added.

english.alarabiya.net...


Iran is a threat to the entire Middle East.

Thanks! Have you ever heard him speak or seen the people who attend? HATE! Pure HATE.

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Don't bully them and they wont hate you.
Simple as that.

Bully some more and you'll feel the hate.


Just don't think that this is going to be a "on my sofa watching this on CNN" thing.

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If it was about money, wouldn't the US would promote trade with Iran; I’m sure they’d love to sell US oil and other goods and the new competition in the market could lower prices, could it not?

But for some strange reason, Iran won't open the doors to Western trade on a large scale.

I guess that helps keep the prices higher.

All sides may be working together to keep profits flowing.

Iran makes plenty of money from their resources.
and invests that money in many foreign countries.

And we may not be dealing with rational people on either side.

The last thing either side wants is low oil prices !!

The corporations are exploiting all the wealth.

reply to post by Deetermined
*chuckle*

Yes, I'm sure the NCR-Iran has no selfish reason to assume or intentionally spread exaggerated opinion about the current regime and its intents...yet almost 4 years later, multiple US NIEs, Israeli intelligence, US analysts, and the IAEA can offer up nothing solid confirming NCR-Iran's claims...

Oi vey.

And for those of you who think that Iran is only trying to protect themselves and "survive" against Israel and the U.S., think again.

They're trying to hold Shia dominance in a region where they're surrounded by Sunnis.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but the experts tend to disagree with you on the derivative claims the opinion presents, and if you're trying to tell me a sunni majority wouldn't try to hold their regional dominance against shiites in like manner - whatever possible methods may be involved aside - I have a hard time believing it.

Iran is a threat to the entire Middle East.

Hmmm...for perspective:

The U.S. has long had Iran virtually encircled as a result of the American occupation of Afghanistan on Iran’s Eastern border, its invasion of Iraq on its Western border, its NATO ally Turkey hovering on Iran’s Northwestern border, some degree of military relationship with Turkmenistan on Iran’s Northeastern border, and multiple U.S. client states sitting right across the Persian Gulf (Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and Bahrain, where the massive U.S. Fifth Fleet is stationed). Additionally, some combination of the U.S. and Israel has bombarded Iran with multiple acts of war over the last year, including explosions on Iranian soil, the murder of numerous Iranian nuclear scientists (in which even one of their wives was shot), and sophisticated cyberattacks. Meanwhile, top American political officials from both parties are actively demanding that an Iranian revolutionary cult be removed from the list of Terrorist organizations (just coincidentally, they’re all on the cult’s payroll). In the past decade, the U.S. and/or Israel have invaded, air attacked, and/or occupied Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, Libya, Lebanon, Sudan, Syria, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip (to say nothing of the creation of a worldwide torture regime, a system of “black site” prisons around the world to which people were disappeared, and a due-process-free detention camp in the middle of the Caribbean Ocean where many people remain encaged for almost a full decade without charges). During this same time period, Iran has not invaded, occupied or air attacked anyone. Iran, to be sure, is domestically oppressive, but no more so — and in many cases less — than the multiple regimes funded, armed and otherwise propped up by the U.S. during this period. Those are all just facts.

But — despite all of these facts — all Serious people in the U.S. know that Iran is the Aggressor, the Modern Nazis, a True Menace, while the U.S. and Israel are its innocent peace-loving victims...

(George Orwell on the Evil Iranian Menace - Salon)

IRAN's a threat to the entire middle east, huh? Perhaps we should run a count of countries invaded/bombed over a matter of decades by various parties, as well as body counts. After this, I feel it would also be instructive to look into other related matters of history and motivation...

If you are actually in Iran or know someone who works at one of the disputed sites they should leave them soon or they will die.When SECDEF says ready in current tense in the CLEAR,it is a message. that means money has been spent to get stuff in place and preparations are already in place full targeting is done all units are ready to react.Hopefully that means surgical,that depends on Iran's military disposition after the hit.If they move on Israel that would be the worst scenario.As to "why?",or "Who has the right?" or how evil the United States is at this time ,A:Iran will not get nukes. in the event China tweaks or Russia threatens to move,see line item A.If they play the pity card and move civilian babies to the nuke sites,see line A.
They will be Isolated and militarily eviscerated.If you think we can't do it you didn't pay attention to Desert Storm.If someone actually pops a nuke all bets are off,but I doubt that effect will occur outside of the middle east.Look for more terrorism in the US and get all ammo and guns, now the govt will probably go after vets and gun ownership if they see a hole to go after them,especially with a psudo-socialist POTUS.If you think I am wrong tjhat's your problem,when you find out I'm correct will someone please remind this board with this reply.EVERYBODY take care, help each other,and good luck.

Originally posted by seabag

Is teaching children to kill themselves by suicide bomb logical or rational?

What was the Average age of a Marine in the Nam conflict ? 19 maybe 20

Hardly more than children.

Different cultures. Wasnt that long ago, Children in the US were married at 14, 15.

Different cultures , no need to kill them for that.

I have a soft spot for Iran. Perhaps it's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad irreverant sense of humour that appeals, who knows? Either way, they have a certain wisdom, and they know that whoever strikes the first blow gets the blame. They're being pushed, prodded and poked...but I really hope they don't bite. The opposition just isn't worth their effort, there is nothing better for kudos than rising above it, and gaining that all important moral high ground while the world is watching. Intently.

Go Iran

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The sole reason that Iran have nuclear facilities is because the World Bank refused them loans to help develop other forms of electricity. Consistently and repeatedly. Iran was left with no alternative, due to the restrictions imposed upon them by the World Bank, than to develop nuclear energy facilities. And then, what do you know....

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As much as Ayottollah Khamenei comes across harsh, I heard him speak today on Press Tv, and really how would you speak if you were backed in a corner? You would come out fighting. Though admist his speech he talked predominantly about unity among ALL Muslims, not just Shi'tes. I do think he is extremist though, and this article highlights a few reasons. www.wnd.com...

Originally posted by CottonwoodStormy
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As much as Ayottollah Khamenei comes across harsh, I heard him speak today on Press Tv, and really how would you speak if you were backed in a corner? You would come out fighting. Though admist his speech he talked predominantly about unity among ALL Muslims, not just Shi'tes. I do think he is extremist though, and this article highlights a few reasons. www.wnd.com...

I don't think a theocracy is ever a good idea, but, it is moderated by the presidency and they do have the interests of their citizenry very much at heart. Very few systems can be described as ideal, but all things considered, geo-politically, it is what works, and internally, they seem to be working towards the right track and are not, to my eye, a beligerent people. They will though, naturally, defend themselves. But ofcourse.

If they do attack each other, the least I can hope is that some religion's end times prophecy will come to pass, and they can forget that stupid BS.

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I agree, as anyone would. Though as I say, Khamenei believes this will bring about Armageddon and the 12th mahdi, he has guards trained specifically for this, and it just seems a little like a self-fulfilling prophecy, but then again, its no different then the many Christians who believe its the end of the world either.

Originally posted by Biliverdin
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The sole reason that Iran have nuclear facilities is because the World Bank refused them loans to help develop other forms of electricity. Consistently and repeatedly. Iran was left with no alternative, due to the restrictions imposed upon them by the World Bank, than to develop nuclear energy facilities. And then, what do you know....

The world bank may have done that for a reason.

Corporate pressure.

The contractors needed to be from other countries.

and maybe Iran did not want to commit to a "large" enough load.

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You know I wish representative democracy could really be by the people, for, and of the people though, in an ideal world, there would an unrigged referendum on everything. Would be good to see everyone do this.

Originally posted by CottonwoodStormy
reply to post by Biliverdin

 

I agree, as anyone would. Though as I say, Khamenei believes this will bring about Armageddon and the 12th mahdi, he has guards trained specifically for this, and it just seems a little like a self-fulfilling prophecy, but then again, its no different then the many Christians who believe its the end of the world either.

Exactly, all things are relative. It is not an ideal world. But no reason to stop trucking... I have a lot of faith in Iran to 'be still'. In fact, I think they're having fun...you have to wonder what is behind that kind of confidence.

Originally posted by xuenchen

The world bank may have done that for a reason.

Corporate pressure.

The contractors needed to be from other countries.

and maybe Iran did not want to commit to a "large" enough load.

Well, the reason that the World Bank gave was that Iran was subsidising it's citizens electricity supply. As Iran stated, if they didn't do that, large groups of the population would not be able to afford electricity (at that time). The World Bank said they had to stop subsidising or they wouldn't loan. Iran said they could not be discriminate in that way against their people.

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I definitely do wonder whats behind it, unshaking faith? I don't think Iran is evil anyway, I live in Algeria, I am a Canadian, they do not have nuclear energy here, the power goes out literally everytime the wind blows or thunder cracks, frankly its horrible, no infrastructure, and I don't deny anyone the right to have peaceful use of nuclear to improve living standards.

Originally posted by CottonwoodStormy
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I definitely do wonder whats behind it, unshaking faith? I don't think Iran is evil anyway, I live in Algeria, I am a Canadian, they do not have nuclear energy here, the power goes out literally everytime the wind blows or thunder cracks, frankly its horrible, no infrastructure, and I don't deny anyone the right to have peaceful use of nuclear to improve living standards.

They wanted money to develop hydro-power. Clean, safe and efficient. And free obviously (once established). But no, they were pushed to nuclear. They didn't want to, but were left with no alternative. Wasn't it Russia that supplied them with the necessary to start nuclear energy?

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Yes it was. Just to note, I just saw on press tv here, the response from iran to this very subject about Tehran's ambitions to attack inside US , Iran says this is DELUSIONAL.