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Originally posted by Drew99GT
Originally posted by intrepid
reply to post by Drew99GT
Did you read all of the article that you quoted as stating this is "liberal propaganda"? Here, I'll help you out with that:
In other words, the top 1% share of income grew nearly five times faster than their share of taxes.
*snip*
But it does mean that when pundits and politicians talk about the rich paying “a big chunk,” they should be clear that it’s because the rich earn “an even bigger chunk.”
OK, you got me on that, but this notion that the rich don't pay any taxes is false.
– Seventy-eight of the 280 companies paid zero or less in federal income taxes in at least one year from 2008 to 2010…In the years they paid no income tax, these companies earned $156 billion in pretax U.S. profits. But instead of paying $55 billion in income taxes as the 35 percent corporate tax rate seems to require, these companies generated so many excess tax breaks that they reported negative taxes (often receiving outright tax rebate checks from the U.S. Treasury), totaling $21.8 billion. These companies’ “negative tax rates” mean that they made more after taxes than before taxes in those no-tax years.
– Thirty corporations paid less than nothing in aggregate federal income taxes over the entire 2008-10 period. These companies, whose pretax U.S. profits totaled $160 billion over the three years, included: Pepco Holdings (–57.6% tax rate), General Electric (–45.3%), DuPont (–3.4%), Verizon (–2.9%), Boeing (–1.8%), Wells Fargo (–1.4%) and Honeywell (–0.7%).
Originally posted by kaylaluv
Well, I didn't know this thread was about Obama, but... Obama is the one who wants to increase tax on the wealthy while decreasing tax on everyone else. I don't see any republicans wanting to do that.
Originally posted by kalisdad
2) corperations raise the cost of goods to offset the taxes they pay, so in the end, the consumer is paying extra for goods
3) some corperations paid nothing in taxes
4) if the billions of dollars that was given to corperations in the past decade was instead given to the American people, they would have bought cars, bought homes, paid bills. The problem there is that the financial sector makes money off of interest and credit. If everyone paid their debts in full, it would have crashed the banking cartel.
edit on 2-2-2012 by kalisdad because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by anon72
Yes, they are doing just fine... the ones who know how to "maximize" the benifits.
Not to mention all the days of not having to work. Just sitting around trying to figure out lifes purposes gets you a paycheck in America.....
Doing no job day after day after day..... You either do something about it or you become a victim of it..meaning the free loader life... which of course is the Democratic plan and has been since 1947 (ish).
The modern sociological usage of the term "middle class", however, dates to the 1911 UK Registrar-General's report, in which the statistician T.H.C. Stevenson identified the middle class as that falling between the upper class and the working class. Included as belonging to the middle class are professionals, managers, and senior civil servants. The chief defining characteristic of membership in the middle class is possession of significant human capital.
Originally posted by Kali74
He claims that the poor have a safety net and that's why he isn't concerned about them, the problem is that he also wants to dismantle that safety net. He seems to think we're all morons and don't see right through his BS.
Originally posted by Wildbob77
If you want to be poor, this is the country for you.
Where else on earth do you see so many fat poor people?
What other country provides so much welfare for so many?
Food stamps, vouchers for housing, day care for your kids. Everything is provided.
It's not like you're living in the Ritz, but it's free.
Originally posted by Wildbob77
What other country provides so much welfare for so many?
Originally posted by GeorgiaGirl
Originally posted by kalisdad
2) corperations raise the cost of goods to offset the taxes they pay, so in the end, the consumer is paying extra for goods
3) some corperations paid nothing in taxes
You just made a great point....but I'm not sure it's the point you meant to make.
I've seen, time and time again, people who are furious that some corporations pay nothing in taxes (your point #3). But when you look at your own point #2, you realize that taxing corporations is REALLY taxing the consumer. So you just supported the idea that we should stop taxing corporations.
4) if the billions of dollars that was given to corperations in the past decade was instead given to the American people, they would have bought cars, bought homes, paid bills. The problem there is that the financial sector makes money off of interest and credit. If everyone paid their debts in full, it would have crashed the banking cartel.
edit on 2-2-2012 by kalisdad because: (no reason given)
I would argue that the government should get *out* of the business of *giving* money to anyone. I agree with you...I don't think money should be given to corporations, but I also don't think we should be giving it out to people.
How about tax us less? Let us keep more of what we earn? That would have the same net effect, only in that case the government isn't picking winners and losers and there is an actual incentive to earn more money.