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Geo-Engineering and the effects of Heavy Metal Toxicity on the Earth and its People.

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posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 10:55 AM
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Take Note.

This is not a Chemtrail-Contrail thread!.

Do Not post to argue about Chemtrails or Contrails.

If you would like to take part in this thread please watch the entirety of the posted youtube, this will explain why the chemtrail-contrail argument is not necessary, this thread is about.
"Geo-Engineering".




Geo-Engineering, What is it, and why?.

Lets first start by taking a look at the type of person to whom world depopulation seems like a good idea.





After 16 years of denial, the White House Science Czar John P Holdren now admits that they have been “testing” the manipulation of Earth’s atmosphere with Barium salts, Aluminum Dioxide and other toxic compounds


John P holdren holds a PHD in "Theoretical plasma physics", what a person to have in the cat bird seat of the "realignment of charge distribution in the atmosphere by way of inducing nano particulate metals".
(my term apologies if it isn't exactly correct.)

So many things the government do are based on "Value for money", biggest, cheapest, fastest, doesn't matter if it is dirty.

We are currently experiencing the Cheapest and Dirtiest assault the government has ever launched on the population, this is also providing cost benefit as it is concurrently working towards the plan of Owning the weather by 2025

The whole situation that the government believes it gets it "right of indifference" to the amount of harm this Geo-Engineering project is causing is from the Anthropomorphic Global Warming (Scam).
Here are some of the most vocal proponents of the AGW position.

Bill Nye, B.S. Mechanical Engineering (Bill Nye the Science Guy)
Gavin Schmidt, Ph.D. Applied Mathematics
James Hansen, Ph.D. Physics
Joe Romm, Ph.D. Physics
John P. Holden, Ph.D. Theoretical Plasma Physics
Lonnie Thompson, Ph.D. Geological Science
Michael Mann, Ph.D. Geology
Michael Oppenheimer, Ph.D. Chemical Physics
Rajendra K. Pachauri, Ph.D. Industrial Engineering (IPCC Chairman)
Steven Schneider, Ph.D. Mechanical Engineering and Plasma Physics
Tom J. Chalko, Ph.D. Laser Holography

These are some of the most vocal proponents of Global warming.

Now this is a list of the most ardent and vocal skeptics to AGW.

David R. Legates, Ph.D. Professor of Climatology, University of Delaware
Hans Jelbring, Ph.D. Climatology, Sweden
John R. Christy, Ph.D. Professor of Atmospheric Science, University of Alabama in Huntsville
Marcel Leroux, Professor Emeritus of Climatology, University of Lyon, France
Patrick J. Michaels, Ph.D. Ecological Climatology
Richard A. Keen, Ph.D. Professor of Climatology, University of Colorado
Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Atmospheric Science, MIT
Robert C. Balling Jr., Ph.D. Professor of Climatology, Arizona State University
Robert E. Davis, Ph.D. Professor of Climatology, University of Virginia
Tim F. Ball, Ph.D. Climatology

Do you see the difference?, When you look at the qualifications of the first list of people and realise that they are trying to sell the global warming scam onto the rest of us, what i see are a group of people who have most to gain from the Geo-engineering project, their field qualifications all tie in rather nicely to John P. Holden, Ph.D. Theoretical Plasma Physics.
John has admitted that Geo-engineering is taking place, he has his defenders to assure us all, that we are being poisoned for the benefit of mankind.


When you look at the second list, you can see a bunch of people who are in their eminent domain and as such should be listened to, they understand the Atmosphere, and the climate, if their was a problem these guys would be trying to tell us, they do not see one.

So what is really going on?.

Let me reiterate that Geo-engineering is happening, it has been admitted, we see it almost everyday going on above our head, nobody is making progress because every debate turns into the chemtrail v contrail debate.
This is why i am using the governments own terminology, Geo-Engineering.
"The release of aluminum vapour that oxides into nano particulates"
There is also other heavy metal content. Barium, Lead, arsenic.
People say "derp i cant believe its happening because they would be spraying themselves".
Yes, that is true, but it is possible to take supplements that would stop internal exposure from taking place.
It is also possible to remove any non oxided metal from your body by taking a substance called "Diatamaceous Earth", this is a clay that comes in powder form and it can draw heavy metals back across the blood brain barrier and bind it up so you can excrete it.

If those in the know have been taking this or some proprietry substance they have access too, they are not being exposed like we are.

Mount shasta in California had a test done on the snow, if you saw the youtube you would know that the test came back at 63.000 parts per million, the EPA response level is 1000ppm.
The EPA have failed to get involved, even though they have been appraised of the situation.
Politically connected appendages to government if they are told to stay out of a situation, will stay out of a situation.
This can be the only reason they have not got involved, their would have been multiple reports to them from many laboratories as is the law when discoveries of aluminium toxicity above the 1000ppm count is made.

It will be easy to spot those who do not have the interests of humanity at heart, they will deny it is happening, they will say that the EPA is not getting involved because it is not happening.
Their is plenty of evidence to show these people are liars.

A lake 10 miles from mount shasta had a water purity test that came back at over 370.000 ppm of aluminium
three hundred seventy thousand parts per million. 370 thousand times the EPA activity level.

The link below takes you to a youtube that you cannot post outside of youtube for some reason.
(if somebody gets in into the thread ill be appreciative)

Ben Livingston the father of weaponised weather



The American government is trying to avoid at all costs signing up to any AGW protocols, is this one branch of the military at odds with another branch of government?.
They are in full possession of the facts, they know AGW is a scam and a cover for a number of things.


Government climate dignitaries and the Associated Press hailed the “landmark” deal reached Sunday at the United Nations' global-warming summit in Durban, South Africa. According to environmentalist groups, however, the agreement represented a failure of the 17th Conference of the Parties (COP17) to “save” the world from supposedly “dangerous” carbon dioxide emissions.



and this,


After running over their scheduled time by more than 36 hours, exhausted “negotiators” representing more than 190 regimes — mostly dictatorships — agreed to work out an enforceable treaty by 2015. The global climate regime would enter into force some five years after that.


From here

Please don't post yet, im still writing.




posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 11:08 AM
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You're off to a bad start with "What in the World". That movie is ridiculous.
www.abovetopsecret.com...


Let me reiterate that Geo-engineering is happening, it has been admitted, we see it almost everyday going on above our head, nobody is making progress because every debate turns into the chemtrail v contrail debate.

Please provide a source for your claim that "it has been admitted".



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 11:10 AM
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Maybe you should stop writing for a few fact checks, if you are going to post things like this:


A lake 10 miles from mount shasta had a water purity test that came back at over 370.000 ppm of aluminium
three hundred seventy thousand parts per million. 370 thousand times the EPA activity level.


That's saying the lake is 1/3 aluminum.



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 11:16 AM
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Mount shasta in California had a test done on the snow, if you saw the youtube you would know that the test came back at 63.000 parts per million, the EPA response level is 1000ppm.


More fact checking: The EPA has no "response level" for aluminum, much less aluminum in snow.
edit on 1/31/2012 by Phage because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 11:25 AM
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Originally posted by Phage

Mount shasta in California had a test done on the snow, if you saw the youtube you would know that the test came back at 63.000 parts per million, the EPA response level is 1000ppm.


More fact checking: The EPA has no "response level" for aluminum, much less aluminum in snow.


And regarding that particular test. Here's where they got their snow, that they somehow expected to be free from dirt.




posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 11:25 AM
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Please don't post yet, im still writing.


Sorry but......that's good, because you can still edit out the factually incorrect parts from the first part.

Opening with "WITWATS" was the wrong move, also. That taints the whole attempt here, as it has zero credibility.



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by The X

Here are some of the most vocal proponents of the AGW position.

Bill Nye, B.S. Mechanical Engineering (Bill Nye the Science Guy)
Gavin Schmidt, Ph.D. Applied Mathematics
James Hansen, Ph.D. Physics
Joe Romm, Ph.D. Physics
John P. Holden, Ph.D. Theoretical Plasma Physics
Lonnie Thompson, Ph.D. Geological Science
Michael Mann, Ph.D. Geology
Michael Oppenheimer, Ph.D. Chemical Physics
Rajendra K. Pachauri, Ph.D. Industrial Engineering (IPCC Chairman)
Steven Schneider, Ph.D. Mechanical Engineering and Plasma Physics
Tom J. Chalko, Ph.D. Laser Holography

These are some of the most vocal proponents of Global warming.

Now this is a list of the most ardent and vocal skeptics to AGW.

David R. Legates, Ph.D. Professor of Climatology, University of Delaware
Hans Jelbring, Ph.D. Climatology, Sweden
John R. Christy, Ph.D. Professor of Atmospheric Science, University of Alabama in Huntsville
Marcel Leroux, Professor Emeritus of Climatology, University of Lyon, France
Patrick J. Michaels, Ph.D. Ecological Climatology
Richard A. Keen, Ph.D. Professor of Climatology, University of Colorado
Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Atmospheric Science, MIT
Robert C. Balling Jr., Ph.D. Professor of Climatology, Arizona State University
Robert E. Davis, Ph.D. Professor of Climatology, University of Virginia
Tim F. Ball, Ph.D. Climatology

Do you see the difference?


Yes, you cherry picked the first group to ignore the 97% of climate scientists who agree with the IPCC's position on AGW, you start with Bill Nye to attempt to trivialize them, and then you cherry picked again from the tiny minority of dissenting climate scientists to showcase the ones with the most impressive sounding titles.

www.pnas.org...


Here, we use an extensive dataset of 1,372 climate
researchers and their publication and citation data to show that (i)
97–98% of the climate researchers most actively publishing in the
field support the tenets of ACC outlined by the Intergovernmental
Panel on Climate Change, and (ii) the relative climate expertise and
scientific prominence of the researchers unconvinced of ACC are
substantially below that of the convinced researchers.

edit on 31-1-2012 by Uncinus because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 11:35 AM
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You see the dates on those agreements are that they will be in force by 2020, that agreement to act and a framework will be in place by 2020.

Spacecast 2020

The American government has already got a plan in place that requires "extra capability" from the atmosphere, spacecast 2020 wants to use the atmosphere as a force multiplier for communications in 2020.
It is interesting that the agreements the UN is trying to get people to agree to will begin in 2020.

It is my contention that this project is part of the reason why we are now seeing major Geo-engineering under the guise of "Defending against global warming".
Owning the weather by 2025 requires a couple of things.
That you know the composition and state of the atmosphere you are trying to control.
That you have enough "Leverage" over the atmosphere to control it.

If from 2020 the amount of greenhouse gases going into the atmosphere can be limited it will be possible to estimate the density that needs to be maintained for projects 2020 and 2025 to be implemented.
If there is uncontrolled "Fresh" gases being continually pumped into the atmosphere the density is a lot harder to control and maintain.
Maybe it is for our own benefit that c02 needs to be controlled, because if it isn't they will have to use a lot more of the geo-engineering materials to achieve the required density.

After 2020 the geo-engineering will become less aggresive and a measured maintenance does versus the amount of fresh input will be all that is required. (i Hope).

Currently the best estimate is 10-20 MEGAtons of aluminium vapor to be pumped into the atmosphere.


The danger of aluminium.

If these "Crazy" scientists are serious about dumping this into the atmosphere, maybe we should take dumping co2 into the atmosphere more seriously.
"It's not a moral hazard it's more like free riding on our grandkids".

These were statements from a geo engineer from carnegie-melon university.
that they have not done the studies and that they might find
"Something terrible tomorrow", with respect to human toxicity and aluminium exposure.

Aluminum toxicity


From History of crime against the Food Laws (1929) by Dr. Wiley, the prime mover behind the original Pure Food Law and Director of the FDA. He resigned in disgust in 1912 over exceptions granted to the law and lack of enforcement. Aluminum has been exempted from tesitng for safety by the FDA under a convoluted logic wherein it is classified as GRAS. (Generally Regarded As Safe.) It has never been tested by the FDA on its safety and there are NO restrictions whatever on the amount or use of aluminum. There are over 2000 references in the National Library of Medicine on adverse effects of alumium.



It affects everything inside your body from your memory to your renal function.
The oxides form plaques inside your arteries that become blockages in the future.


Has the federal government made recommendations to protect human health? The EPA has recommended a Secondary Maximum Contaminant Level (SMCL) of 0.05–0.2 milligrams per liter (mg/L) for aluminum in drinking water. The SMCL is not based on levels that will affect humans or animals. It is based on taste, smell, or color. The Occupational Health and Safety Administration (OSHA) has limited workers' exposure to aluminum in dusts to 15 milligrams per cubic meter (mg/m3) (total dust) and 5 mg/m3 (respirable fraction) of air for an 8-hour workday, 40-hour workweek. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has determined that aluminum used as food additives and medicinals such as antacids are generally safe.



The oral LD50 of aluminium nitrate, chloride, and sulfate in mice and rats ranges from 200 to 1000 mg of aluminium per kg of body weight (WHO, 1997).


Aluminum in drinking water


The exposure effect of Aluminum is cumulative, everyday you are exposed the dose in your body increases the greater the poisoning effect becomes.
Geo-Engineering is exposing you to daily doses of aluminum, you are not excreting it as fast as you are getting it in.
You are being poisoned day by day, along with your children and other family members.
The Geo-engineering is happening, the poisoning of the soil is taking place, Monsanto has patented aluminum resistant strains already.
(Why would they unless they expected to make money from it)
Barium is potentially a trigger for MS.
Aluminum causes alzheimers.
Had any memory dysfunction over the last year or two?, could be exposure to heavy metals.
This is not about Chemtrails or Contrails.
This is Geo-engineering it is happening, it is admitted by the PTB.

I have barely scratched the surface, bring info if you have it please.



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 11:39 AM
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And just looking into your first scientist David R. Legates

en.wikipedia.org...


According to the News Journal, "the Union of Concerned Scientists published a study listing Legates among several scientists it described as 'familiar spokespeople from ExxonMobil-funded organizations' that have regularly taken stands or sponsored reports questioning the science behind climate change warnings."[11] Legates is a senior scientist of the Marshall Institute,[12] a research fellow with the Independent Institute,[13] and an adjunct scholar of the Competitive Enterprise Institute,[14] all of which have received funding from ExxonMobil.[15][16]


It's constantly amazing to me that even on a site such as ATS, where people are generally open minded to conspiracies, the true conspiracies go unquestioned. Instead of fighting the corruption of our scientific and political processes by corporations such as ExxonMobile, people are tricked into wasting time on baseless theories of secret undetectable geoengineering.



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by The X

This is Geo-engineering it is happening, it is admitted by the PTB.

I have barely scratched the surface, bring info if you have it please.



Why don't you bring it? Where has it been admitted by the PTB? Links please.



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 11:52 AM
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posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 01:00 PM
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Very informative thread!! Of particular interest to me, not having heard it before, was the video from the Vietnam Vet on weather modification. He states that in order to be able to test the rain produced from cloud seeding and verify that it came from their efforts, an 'exotic' element like zinc was added. Exotic here I guess would mean something not naturally occurring in rainwater. Zinc is also a heavy metal.

emedicine.medscape.com...


The classic acute occupational heavy metal toxicity is metal fume fever (MFF), a self-limiting inhalation syndrome seen in workers exposed to metal oxide fumes. MFF, or "brass founder’s ague," "zinc shakes," or "Monday morning fever" as it is variously known, is characterized by fever, headache, fatigue, dyspnea, cough, and a metallic taste occurring within 3-10 hours after exposure. The usual culprit is zinc oxide, but MFF may occur with magnesium, cobalt, and copper oxide fumes as well.



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 02:20 PM
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Originally posted by luxordelphi
Very informative thread!! Of particular interest to me, not having heard it before, was the video from the Vietnam Vet on weather modification. He states that in order to be able to test the rain produced from cloud seeding and verify that it came from their efforts, an 'exotic' element like zinc was added.


No he didn't. He suggested it would be a potential way of avoiding liability. I doubt anyone has done it.

And, really? Zinc toxic? Everything is toxic, but zinc less so.

ods.od.nih.gov...


Zinc is an essential mineral that is naturally present in some foods, added to others, and available as a dietary supplement. Zinc is also found in many cold lozenges and some over-the-counter drugs sold as cold remedies.

Zinc is involved in numerous aspects of cellular metabolism. It is required for the catalytic activity of approximately 100 enzymes [1,2] and it plays a role in immune function [3,4], protein synthesis [4], wound healing [5], DNA synthesis [2,4], and cell division [4]. Zinc also supports normal growth and development during pregnancy, childhood, and adolescence [6-8] and is required for proper sense of taste and smell [9].

A daily intake of zinc is required to maintain a steady state because the body has no specialized zinc storage system [10].


So trace amounts of zinc would actually be good for you.



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 03:20 PM
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What a waste of time you are. At about 30:00 in the video:

www.youtube.com...


We have a sure defense against those liability lawsuits. We place in our seeding materials a trace element of zinc or some other exotic material so that any rainfall that falls and uses our nuclei to cause the rainfall or the hail or whatever comes out of it...all they need to do is collect some of that water...find some of our tracer...material...


Your scenario doesn't make any sense at all because it's an experiment and there has to be a way to see the results of the experiment. Of course they place something in it to track it.

The rest of your post...all I can say is inhale deeply as the wet ground from a recent cloud seeding operation dries. Maybe you'll get a feel for 'zinc shakes.' Or whatever other exotic is currently in vogue. You're not talking to a kindergarden here. Heavy metals are not a joke. In fact I think the current leaders of our governments including leaders of the military and clandestine organizations should all be tested for metals. That would at least provide an explanation for this insanity.



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 03:30 PM
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Originally posted by luxordelphi
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What a waste of time you are. At about 30:00 in the video:

www.youtube.com...


We have a sure defense against those liability lawsuits. We place in our seeding materials a trace element of zinc or some other exotic material so that any rainfall that falls and uses our nuclei to cause the rainfall or the hail or whatever comes out of it...all they need to do is collect some of that water...find some of our tracer...material...



Yeah, but that's still just a suggestion. People don't actually do this.

You see he's all in favor of trying to control hurricanes. He's sad that people don't do it because of liability issues, so he's suggesting a way around it.



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 04:16 PM
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The man said, "We place..." He didn't say: we could place; we should place; we might place. He said "We place."

And as far as your unbelievable statements about liability issues: the military has no liability issues because their claim is that they're not doing anything. That's why it's all secret. Because of money. Did you think there was another reason? It's always money. And he wasn't suggesting that they don't control hurricanes because of liability issues. He was saying that's the reason they give. He was suggesting that they don't do it because there's more money to be made by letting a hurricane hit full force. Why are you twisting?



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 04:20 PM
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Originally posted by luxordelphi
reply to post by Uncinus
 


The man said, "We place..." He didn't say: we could place; we should place; we might place. He said "We place."


"We place..." can be future tense in the context of a proposal - which this clearly is.


And as far as your unbelievable statements about liability issues: the military has no liability issues because their claim is that they're not doing anything.


Claiming you aren't doing something doesn't stop you from being liable if it is revealed that you are doing something!



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 04:20 PM
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Well I guess that's open to interpretation.

He also says there has been no weather modification in the past 30-35 years, and that by volume the substances used are "nothing".



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by luxordelphi
reply to post by Uncinus
 


The man said, "We place..." He didn't say: we could place; we should place; we might place. He said "We place."


Who said?

I can say in a Youtube video that I spray cyanide over London every week. I can say that I live in Neptune. means nothing.

Who said what and what makes you think that he was saying something credible? Can you give me his contact details so I can ask him personally to ensure he was quoted properly in context? It's not at all uncommon for someone to be misquoted out of context in order to imply they are saying something very different to waht they emant - and that's just the mainstream media!) I'm assuming, indeed, that you have already done that if you're so sure? After all, you're not gullible like most people and you dont believe whatever you're told just because it's what you want to believe, do you?

And no, I don't watch youtube. But if there's a relevant website or, perferably, research papers you can refer me to, I'll be happy to read and study them



posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 04:46 PM
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Well I guess that's open to interpretation.


Picky. I can make a case for a pig being a goat too but in the end the pig is still a pig.




He also says there has been no weather modification in the past 30-35 years, and that by volume the substances used are "nothing".


Well if he says that I guess he is no longer in the loop because we both know that weather modification has ramped up to full throttle. Take a look at the establishment reactions before and after Katrina and tell me they don't remind you of 9/11.

As far as nothing substances - yeah - a nano aluminum particle is nothing and yet it can cross the blood brain barrier whereas a larger aluminum particle can't.

And further, these nothings are being placed into an environment already saturated affecting a public already at or near toxic limits. How do we measure the one particle that puts a human being over the top as far as being able to expel heavy metals? The ones that can be expelled. Do we call it nothing?



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