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Geo-Engineering and the effects of Heavy Metal Toxicity on the Earth and its People.

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posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 04:48 PM
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Watch the video. It's integral to the thread. Don't ask me to lead you by the hand.




posted on Jan, 31 2012 @ 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by luxordelphi
And further, these nothings are being placed into an environment already saturated affecting a public already at or near toxic limits. How do we measure the one particle that puts a human being over the top as far as being able to expel heavy metals? The ones that can be expelled. Do we call it nothing?


The environment is not saturated with silver iodide, and that's what he's talking about.

There no evidence that anything like nano engineered aluminum is being sprayed. And if it does not exist in nature, then how could we be saturated with it?



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 12:39 PM
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LOL I'm on the road for work but had to pull over just to address this. X, keep up the research and don't let these clowns attempt to kill your thread after you've already made it clear that its about geo-engineering. They didn't see the word 'chemtrail' in your header so they couldn't logically come in and start screaming about it just being contrails, not just yet. Instead they take over the thread (after you informed everyone you were still writing your OP), and start hurling accusations (agreed upon only within their little circle), that the information you've provided is inaccurate, false, and warrants no further investigation. Hahahhaa wow. Keep it up dude I'm interested in seeing where you're going with this, cheers



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 01:36 PM
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The OP was attempting to "slip in under the radar"....by specifically and disingenuously claiming it wasn't "about chemtrails", but still used as the very first video, the entire crap junkumentary "What in the World Are They Spraying" as a cornerstone of the OP.

That nonsense over-90-minute-movie specifically makes the claim of "spraying chemtrails" as a part of the crux of its argument.


Originally posted by TheBassistant
They didn't see the word 'chemtrail' in your header so they couldn't logically come in and start screaming about it just being contrails.....


It's rather obvious what the intent here was.



Originally posted by TheBassistant
..... that the information you've provided is inaccurate, false, and warrants no further investigation.


Yes, because that IS the fact. The one aspect of the OP that might be considered worthy of "further investigation" would be to get to the bottom of the claims made in the second video, about John P. Holdren. To ascertain their veracity and provenance.

The OP writes this:


Originally posted by The X
John has admitted that Geo-engineering is taking place, he has his defenders to assure us all, that we are being poisoned for the benefit of mankind.


Without any substantiation, merely hear-say. That is quite an indictment, bordering on slander, if it were shown to be untrue in any way.


The OP goes on, and makes this factually incorrect and demonstrably FALSE statement:


Originally posted by The X
Let me reiterate that Geo-engineering is happening, it has been admitted, we see it almost everyday going on above our head...


The OP writes ^ ^ ^ "....above our head...." Now, what was that again that you wrote?


Originally posted by TheBassistant
They didn't see the word 'chemtrail' in your header so they couldn't logically come in and start screaming about it just being contrails.....


Do you see it, yet? The hypocrisy and attempt to misdirect by the OP claiming:


Originally posted by The X
This is not a Chemtrail-Contrail thread!.



I submit evidence that the above statement by the OP was not true.

The OP continues, and makes many factually inaccurate claims, likely repeated from sources that originally made the mistakes in the measurements....such as this one:


Originally posted by The X
A lake 10 miles from mount shasta had a water purity test that came back at over 370.000 ppm of aluminium
three hundred seventy thousand parts per million. 370 thousand times the EPA activity level.


That is simply untrue.

Sorry but, when someone makes assertions that are wrong....whether knowingly, (which is contrary to the ATS T&Cs) or innocently by mistake (which is not a violation of T&C, because it is merely a sincere error), then that incorrect information MUST be checked, and if found to be false, challenged.

It is that simple.

ALL claims of increased ".....Heavy Metal Toxicity on the Earth and its People." are investigated, and vetted for accuracy ---- and found to be without merit in most cases. The few isolated instances of occurrence are associated with other ground-based activities NOT related to flying, nor certainly any "spraying" from overhead.

Toxic contaminations are solely attributable to cases of nearby heavy industrial polluters, and mining operations primarily. The rest of the "chemtrail spraying" hysteria is misplaced nonsense, with ZERO direct evidence of any kind.

Period.





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posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 02:15 PM
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Breathing heavy metals can cause insanity, genetic defects, blood acidity, sterility, mental feebleness and early aging. It can also cause your hair to fall out. In the past, breathing heavy metals usually only happened around mining or manufacturing sites.

Changing weather for the purpose of profit or the purpose of safety for one part of the world at the health expense of another part of the world has changed that. Chernobyl - the nuclear reactor that went off in the then USSR - had fallout clouds, which through manipulation were directed away from Moscow and wound up over Belarus.


Breathing heavy metal particles, even at levels well below those considered nontoxic, can have serious health effects. Virtually all aspects of animal and human immune system function are compromised by the inhalation of heavy metal particulates.


www.tuberose.com...



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by luxordelphi
Breathing heavy metals can cause insanity, genetic defects, blood acidity, sterility, mental feebleness and early aging. It can also cause your hair to fall out. In the past, breathing heavy metals usually only happened around mining or manufacturing sites.


Heavy metals have always been in the atmosphere from volcanoes and from wildfires



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 02:30 PM
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Breathing water can cause respiratory problems and death. It's all down to the quantity.

If you want to throw around toxicity facts then you need to establish:

- what are the toxic levels
- is anyone actually spraying these things?
- how much are they spraying.

Without that information you are simply making the observation that everything is toxic, in sufficient quantity.

Take carbon monoxide. We know it is highly toxic. Concentrations as low as 667 ppm cause up to 50% of the body's hemoglobin to stop working, resulting in seizures, coma, and death. An yet we don't mind it being constantly sprayed from car exhausts, because we know the resultant changes to ambient levels (around 1ppm) are insignificant.



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 02:35 PM
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So it was all the fault of Eurus


Anyway, thanks to Eurus I had my first taste of radiation. I've been glowing ever since!

(seriously, what are you on about?
Just because it rains or the wind blows doesn't mean it's a conspiracy. They're not all out to get us!

Just you..... )



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 02:50 PM
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Funny guy (girl)! Are you saying that weather modification perpetrators should be classed as gods? Because it's secret, it's magic? Because it's classified, it's phenomenal magic? I think that we, the great unwashed, are a little bit more clever than that these days. It's that 'end of days cynicism' setting in. Not everything you see is an act of God. Most of what you see is the act of short-sighted, small-minded men and women.



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 02:55 PM
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How do you know that "it" is secret and/or classified??


I hope it isn't just because no-one admits it there fore it must be secret? 'Cos if that's all it takes then there's an awful lot of things that must also exist - Star Trek TOS was actually a documentary, and we all have to help H R Pufnstuff protect Jimmy from Witchipoo....


On the other hand, if there are leaked documents then I'd be ecstatic to actually see them??



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 02:59 PM
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Are you saying that a few days prior to the Chernobyl accident the Russians somehow created high pressure over northern Russia - as often occurs that time of year - so that when the accident occurred the wind was blowing west?


(and I'm definitely a guy)
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posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 04:53 PM
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Here you go although this is old 'news':

www.telegraph.co.uk...


Russian military pilots have described how they created rain clouds to protect Moscow from radioactive fallout after the Chernobyl nuclear disaster in 1986.



Major Aleksei Grushin repeatedly took to the skies above Chernobyl and Belarus and used artillery shells filled with silver iodide to make rain clouds that would "wash out" radioactive particles drifting towards densely populated cities.



More than 4,000 square miles of Belarus were sacrificed to save the Russian capital from the toxic radioactive material.


The wind, according to their reports, was west to east and so 'weather gods' didn't play into it. It was also not an act of God nor was Belarus deserving of punishment. It was strictly an act of man - all the way through.



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 05:05 PM
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You seem not to have grasped what the article was telling you. They made it rain over Belarus to wash out the radiation before it reached Moscow, straightforward, if cynical, cloud seeding. Where did you read that they changed the wind direction?



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 06:06 PM
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Here's Essan's question:




so that when the accident occurred the wind was blowing west?


Here's my answer to that question:




The wind, according to their reports, was west to east



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 06:16 PM
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Originally posted by luxordelphi
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Here's Essan's question:




so that when the accident occurred the wind was blowing west?


That is not Essan's question - disinformation much??


Here is Essan's question:


Are you saying that a few days prior to the Chernobyl accident the Russians somehow created high pressure over northern Russia - as often occurs that time of year - so that when the accident occurred the wind was blowing west?

- www.abovetopsecret.com...



Here's my answer to that question:




The wind, according to their reports, was west to east



That does not answer his question - stop being dishonest and answer the question for a change!
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posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 06:33 PM
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Now why would you leave this part out?



A second Soviet pilot, who asked not to be named, also confirmed to the programme makers that cloud seeding operations took place as early as two days after the explosion.

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www.telegraph.co.uk...

Wow you really just pick and choose whatever you think will backup your comments, please read the info you want to post, because your track record of actually knowing or reading the info you link to is not very good.. This is just a little friendly advice and you can take it however you want it not personal so don't get your panties in a bunch,,



posted on Feb, 2 2012 @ 06:36 PM
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Never mind the way you cut short Essans question, that's not what prompted my reply to you. I was responding to your own posts only. You wrote that the clouds were redirected and wound up over Belarus. Where does the article say that? If not by wind, how else would you say a cloud would be redirected?
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posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 12:50 PM
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Breathing heavy metals can cause bad things.
www.edmontonsun.com...
In this court case from the Edmonton Sun, heavy metal poisoning is blamed for the delirium that caused a husband to kill his wife.

According to court documents, the Cambodia-born man developed heavy metal toxicity from being exposed to harmful vapours while working at a city scrap yard.


Heavy metals in combination can be far deadlier than one alone.
www.jigsawhealth.com...

When numerous metals are present in the body, these may have a “synergistic toxicity.” Dr. Boyd Haley, professor and chair of the chemistry department at the University of Kentucky, performed a study on rats and found that the mortality rate of rats exposed to a small dose of mercury or aluminum killed only 1 rat in 100. However, when the rats were exposed to both mercury and aluminum at the same time, all 100 rats died—a 100% mortality rate.

www.tasmaniantimes.com...

Toxic Heavy Metals Taskforce Tasmania spokesperson Kay Seltitzas said: "The Review contains misleading and dangerous information in relation to public health risks for residents of Rosebery exposed to emissions of multiple metals in the environment."


Silver iodide used in cloud seeding is a toxic heavy metal.
www.pesticideinfo.org...
chemtruth.ning.com...

The Office of Environment, Health and Safety, UC Berkeley, rates silver iodide as a Class C, non soluble, inorganic, hazardous chemical that pollutes water and soil. It has been found to be highly toxic to fish, livestock and humans. Numerous medical articles demonstrate that humans absorb silver iodide through the lungs, nose, skin, and GI tract. Mild toxicity can cause GI irritation, renal and pulmonary lesions, and mild argyria (blue or black discoloration of the skin). Severe toxicity can result in hemorrhagic gastroenteritis, shock, enlarged heart, severe argyria, and death by respiratory depression.


Uranium is a heavy metal.

The body accumulates heavy metals.
tribune.com.pk...

Free medicines case: Cause of death - metallic poisoning?


“However, the patients who died had been using the medicines for the last two to three months and the cause could have been ‘chronic poisoning’ from arsenic or any such metal,” he maintained.



posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 01:12 PM
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Originally posted by luxordelphi
Silver iodide used in cloud seeding is a toxic heavy metal.
www.pesticideinfo.org...
chemtruth.ning.com...

The Office of Environment, Health and Safety, UC Berkeley, rates silver iodide as a Class C, non soluble, inorganic, hazardous chemical that pollutes water and soil. It has been found to be highly toxic to fish, livestock and humans. Numerous medical articles demonstrate that humans absorb silver iodide through the lungs, nose, skin, and GI tract. Mild toxicity can cause GI irritation, renal and pulmonary lesions, and mild argyria (blue or black discoloration of the skin). Severe toxicity can result in hemorrhagic gastroenteritis, shock, enlarged heart, severe argyria, and death by respiratory depression.



Yet again, the observation that something is "toxic" is irrelevant unless you note in what concentration it is toxic, and how much you think is being used, and where.

Alcohol is very toxic, yet we drink it, sometime quite a bit. It's the amount that is important. The Oral LD50 of alcohol is 5500 mg/kg, and for silver iodide it's 2820 mg/kg, pretty similar.


source:
www.sciencelab.com...
www.countyofsb.org...
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posted on Feb, 3 2012 @ 02:59 PM
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And here's the weather chart for that day. Who do you beleive, and why?

www.wetterzentrale.de...

www.wetterzentrale.de...

To be fair, the winds were actually blowing towards Scandinavia. And that why the radiation plume spread over Scandinavia before reaching Britain. But there were certainly not going to spread radiation east towards Moscow.



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