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Originally posted by WhiteDevil013
reply to post by lacrimaererum
Sure, and right after 9/11, 90% of the population, and 100% of the intelligence agencies were convinced that another attack was "imminent" and we absolutely "had to go in to the middle east and get em"
Look how that worked out. And I'm not a bleeding heart liberal.
Iran, if our media is saying you're about to "attack" us, what that really means is that we are about to move-in. After all, now we HAVE TO, attack is IMMINENT.
Get out while you still can. I'm just glad my name isnt Ahamadinejad or Ayatollah Khamenei right now.
Originally posted by bigwig22
If you learned critical thinking, you would not have been in the army. Soldiers are a bunch of brainwashed tools for the government, that's all. They make you believe you can think on your own but it isnt true. The proof is you think you fight for all the people of the USA. YOU DON'T. Just look at how many people disapprove these wars on foreign soil against enemys that aren't near your homeland?
Do you really think it is somehow to your benefit to wait for your enemies to enter your "homeland" before reacting to stop that entry? REALLY? You seriously would prefer to wait to X out your opposition until they are intermingled with your family? Your version of "critical thinking" involves putting your family at risk because you want to be nice to the Bad Men?
On a purely personal level, I've never, EVER needed "100% proof" to counterstrike. A declaration of intent, in any form, has always been enough for me, which I guess is why I'm still here, and not pushing up daisies in Potter's Field.
But back to "my leaders" - I have none at the moment, and neither does the US. This country is on auto-pilot, and the pre-programmed course is leading to a nosedive into the ground, a crater in a field.
Originally posted by SpeachM1litant
The point of this comment is to show that while the use of coercion and threats of force (i.e. Gun Boat Diplomacy) may seem to be effective, more often then not they create environments that are even more unstable and insecure. When a weaker country is backed into a corner, often they are forced to bite even if they know it may cause their own dimise. Perpetual ignorance is not the way.
Originally posted by Sharpenmycleats
Originally posted by vault13er
...quoted post removed and poster now banned...
That was a great rant, but truthfully it seemed pretty racist and hateful. Not sure how you figure that will sway many Americans into your camp. Truth is the American people by the majority do not feel threaten by Iran and their individual pursuit for power. I also do not believe that the Iranian people by majority do not wish, "Death to America."
So why both governments beating war drums?
If you learned critical thinking, you would not have been in the army. Soldiers are a bunch of brainwashed tools for the government, that's all. They make you believe you can think on your own but it isnt true. The proof is you think you fight for all the people of the USA. YOU DON'T. Just look at how many people disapprove these wars on foreign soil against enemys that aren't near your homeland?
I agree with the poster that said it was the soldiers fault. Just stay home and mind your own business. If all the soldiers stayed home, the world would be better IMO. Without soldiers tofight their wars, the ruling "elites" would have to find another way to extend their power.
Originally posted by WhiteDevil013
reply to post by lacrimaererum
Sure, and right after 9/11, 90% of the population, and 100% of the intelligence agencies were convinced that another attack was "imminent" and we absolutely "had to go in to the middle east and get em"
Look how that worked out. And I'm not a bleeding heart liberal.
Iran, if our media is saying you're about to "attack" us, what that really means is that we are about to move-in. After all, now we HAVE TO, attack is IMMINENT.
Get out while you still can. I'm just glad my name isnt Ahamadinejad or Ayatollah Khamenei right now.
I agree, and well said. And Iran is sitting on a mountain of oil conveniently. Better get Iran fast boys! If you don't support a military campaign against Iran, you hate America, and you disgrace the brave troops that died for your FREEEDOMMM. More of the same Fox News crap, it gets old and tired after awhile doesn't it?
Let's be crystal clear for the others in this thread who support needless war: World War 2 was dying for freedom, everything since then has been a pile of steaming bs.
you would think they would have been in Rwanda during 1994(800,000 - 1,000,000). Or in Darfur in 2003(approx. 300,000 civilians killed).
I had to give you a star you had 666. haha
I'm not going to go over all 25 pages of the IAEA report. So I'll just quote the "strong" language the report makes on Iran's nuke program. Indications, some activities relevant to the development, some may. Wow. That's proof enough for me.
Here’s my point with regards to Iran… They have made their intentions know. I don’t really care if they have nukes now or not. I DO care that they INTEND to acquire them and I’m sure, based on their own rhetoric, that they will flex their muscles with their new-found power. They are flexing NOW and they KNOW they would be crushed!! I also feel that psychos should not have WMD…it’s just unacceptable if the world hopes to have peace. Finally, Saddam never had missiles in South America. You can downplay Iran’s missile capability all you’d like but you DON’T know what THEY have any more than you KNOW what US has. Hell, the top speed of our carriers is classified…what makes you think US capabilities in other areas are well known??
Be objective here, as I have.
Why would a country sitting on 1,000 years’ worth of oil NEED nuclear energy??
You also have to admit that, like Saddam, Ahmadinejad isn’t doing anything to calm the situation down. Quite the contrary…he is throwing fuel on the fire. Why the threats to US (sinking carriers), Israel (wipe them off the map) and the entire world economy (close the straits)??