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Originally posted by NightGypsy
reply to post by Flavian
For schools to be truly effective, you would need also need to address the discipline issue. The simple fact is that teachers are scared to discipline children because of some of the laws that have been introduced and because any action leaves you open to suspension and being sued. Until this is addressed, nothing will change. Sorry for the rant but this is something that has directly affected me for years and just plain winds me up!
I agree with what you're saying for the most part, but the problem is more complicated than that in my neck of the woods, anyway. Our city probably has one of the worst school systems in our state. The kids are out of control in the classrooms and the district and the state have largely curtailed the teachers' ability to inject their own creativity into classroom instruction. Everything is centered around standardized tests and making sure the students pass them so that any given school will receive continued funds.
It has been my observation that teachers here are beginning to throw their hands up in frustration and give up. Most assuredly, a child with behavioral issues is alleged to have ADHD and they have to be treated differently due to this diagnosis. Many teachers I encounter these days don't have the balls to demand respect from their students, and conversely, the parents are too lazy to take responsibility and do nothing but blame their kids' problems on poor teaching in the classroom. It's a vicious circle. All I know is that school these days is a far cry from what it was when I was young. Book reports, class projects, oral reports are quickly becoming a thing of the past. What a disaster.
Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by wutz4tom
The problem with today's teachers is they all think every child should be on Ritalin because the standard of a proper decent education has left many schools. Kids are getting bored because teachers are not stimulating their student's thought processes. Kids need to think for themselves, not told how to think. Half of the teachers are doing such a crappy job while the other half well deserve a pay rise. Teachers training colleges now need to set the standards alot higher and get back to basics.
The amount of homework kids are getting these days is appauling due to lack of proper teaching skills.
As for the parents, it's a cross between so many who are from non-English speaking backgrounds v both parents having to work long hours due to the high cost of living in this country v parents who just don't give a crap.
The whole system stinks.
edit on 30-1-2012 by bluemirage5 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Flatfish
reply to post by wutz4tom
The teachers are right, in that they are currently nothing more than "whipping posts" for parents who have blindly decided that they, (teachers) are the sole party responsible for all of their children's failures, when nothing could be farther from the truth. Do get me wrong, I don't just blame the parents either. There's a third party involved here and they're called "Corporate America."
I believe that at least half of blame belongs squarely upon those responsible for wage and benefit suppression in the workplace which has basically eliminated the concept of single income families. It wasn't like this when I was a kid. My dad worked, my mom ran the house and took care to see that my siblings and I did our homework and stayed out of trouble. At that time, we were a typical middle-class family. My family was not overburdened with debt, we had medical insurance through the unionized workplace where my father was employed and we didn't blame teachers, we cherished them.
Anyone ever ask themselves; "What happened to the days when one parent worked and the other stayed home, insuring that their children had parental supervision after school? Remember, back when parents had time to help their kids with homework? Remember, back before the days of both parents working, (some with multiple jobs) and neither one getting home with an ounce of energy left to do anything other than find a bath and a bed?
Well, I can tell you this; Those changes didn't happen by accident! These policies are the direct result of "corporate mentality," where the one and only objective is to provide profits to the shareholders, negating all other concerns including the negative side effects that are now permeating american society.
The proof is clearly in the pudding. Single income family households are almost non-existant today, wages have stagnated to the point where it now takes at least two incomes just to keep the parents from drowning in debt and sometimes two isn't enough, employer based medical insurance is rapidly becoming a thing of the past, our children basically supervise themselves from the time they get out of school until their parents get home from work, (sometimes late at night) and families are being cast out of their homes by fraudulent banking practices.
Needless to say, you can't make those kinds of changes without expecting that they will have some very negative side effects upon our society. But somehow, all of the youth degradation we are now witnessing as a direct result of these policies is the "fault of out teachers?" PLEASE!
Profits up, family values down, go figure!
Personally I think we are seeing the result of a failed process right now...and it will become even more clear as time goes on.
Originally posted by Flavian
reply to post by wutz4tom
No, you are 100% correct in saying that parents need to step up. It is the reason i left teaching - i wanted to teach rather than administer to the pastoral care of my pupils, Frankly, that is the parents job. I also got sick of parents marching and making threats because somebody had dared to discipline their "little angel" (read as total scrote).
I have witnessed on several occasions school secretaries being punched by angry parents because they had the "cheek" to call them asking to attend a meeting at school to discuss their off springs discipline.
If 2 kids were fighting, you could not lay hands on them. You had to get in the middle and if you got hit in the cross fire, so be it - your fault for being a teacher. I could go on but the point is parents need to stand up. Their job is not to be friends with their children - it is to raise them to have respect for others and to get on in the world. God help us in 20 years when this lot are running things after having had a lifetime of getting everything the easy way.