I hate this pro-US, anti-islamic policy on ATS

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posted on Jan, 29 2012 @ 11:51 AM
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Originally posted by theBigToe

Originally posted by superman2012
It's not their fault. They are fed garbage by their schools, their government, their TV's, their parents and neighbors. How can you blame people for being ignorant when they are raised in an ignorant society?


If NATO countries are ignorant then what does that make Iran?


Sorry, I should have been more clear. Ignorant of the rest of the world, not just their own little corner.




posted on Jan, 29 2012 @ 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by superman2012

Originally posted by theBigToe

Originally posted by superman2012
It's not their fault. They are fed garbage by their schools, their government, their TV's, their parents and neighbors. How can you blame people for being ignorant when they are raised in an ignorant society?


If NATO countries are ignorant then what does that make Iran?


Sorry, I should have been more clear. Ignorant of the rest of the world, not just their own little corner.


Im an American. Am I ignorant about the rest of the world? Or are all of your opinions of Americans based on episodes of Jersey Shore or the Kardashians?



posted on Jan, 29 2012 @ 11:56 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer
Just one page and I'd say the hate is pretty one-sided towards the west right now.

Just saying.


I normally don't respond to your posts due to the blatant twist you put on things. My pity goes out to the members who read your posts and believe what you type. You say the hate is one sided, yet you're unable to provide one hateful statement.

You people are a real piece of work...there is no hate in this thread, just some really well thought out opinions that seem to hit really close to home for some people.

Next time you plan on making such a bold claim, take it up another level and actually copy and paste some of these make believe hateful statements you speak of.



posted on Jan, 29 2012 @ 11:56 AM
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Originally posted by theBigToe

Originally posted by superman2012
It's not their fault. They are fed garbage by their schools, their government, their TV's, their parents and neighbors. How can you blame people for being ignorant when they are raised in an ignorant society?


If NATO countries are ignorant then what does that make Iran?


I could be wrong, but I think Sup is pointing out that all societies throughout the world are like this.

Regardless of where they be.



posted on Jan, 29 2012 @ 11:57 AM
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Sorry for using that quote once again but i feel its a way to help people understand themselves and the choices that we accept everyday.

"Men must be specialists, specialists must be despots."
G.K Chesterton.

People are hypocrites, they couldnt care less 2 millions iranians could die and they still gonna get drunk on friday, saturday and sunday watching football. They say, its really sad but theres nothing I can do, i got bills to pay, you know.. burp . My pathetic life is WAY more important than 2 millions muslims so people will accept the CHOICE to invade Iran.

Remember folks we ALWAYS have a choice to accept it or not.
If you accept it, ill be there to expose your ignorance.
Because i dont wanna ba associated in history books to a brain dead zombies society.



posted on Jan, 29 2012 @ 11:57 AM
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Originally posted by Mikehawk

Originally posted by theBigToe

Originally posted by superman2012
It's not their fault. They are fed garbage by their schools, their government, their TV's, their parents and neighbors. How can you blame people for being ignorant when they are raised in an ignorant society?


If NATO countries are ignorant then what does that make Iran?


It makes Iran a country who just wants to be left alone. It also makes Iran a country who has been constantly demonized over the last several decades. As Superman said, it's not your fault, it's the ignorant society that you were raised in that is to blame. You're not off the hook though since this isn't an excuse. I was raised in the same ignorant society and I can see through these lies since a very young age.

Lay off the tap water is my first recommendation. Or maybe do your own research on Iran instead of believing everything the media spoon feeds you.


Iran has demonized itself. It has only itself to thank for its incredible appalling Human rights abuses and anybody that says the United States, or Great Britain, or Canada, or Israel has Human rights issues on par with countries like Syria and Iran and North Korea and Pakistan is a damn liar and/or a brainwashed hypocrite. I dont personally care that you think these countries have a "right" to exist. When you murder your own citizens based on their sexual orientation or their religious or political ideology then you have lost all right to govern in the 21st century. This isnt a joke. Peoples lives arent a joke. And you, who thinks youre anti-war, is more for the angst and pain of our species then the Mullahs that hold power in the Islamic Republic of Iran.

You are as much responsible for every unjust death that they have caused because you preach that this behavior is acceptable.



posted on Jan, 29 2012 @ 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by theBigToe

Originally posted by superman2012

Originally posted by theBigToe

Originally posted by superman2012
It's not their fault. They are fed garbage by their schools, their government, their TV's, their parents and neighbors. How can you blame people for being ignorant when they are raised in an ignorant society?


If NATO countries are ignorant then what does that make Iran?


Sorry, I should have been more clear. Ignorant of the rest of the world, not just their own little corner.


Im an American. Am I ignorant about the rest of the world? Or are all of your opinions of Americans based on episodes of Jersey Shore or the Kardashians?


No, like I said in this this thread, more specifically this post my opinions are based on the posts on ATS, as they seem to represent a significant portion of the average American. I am not singling you out specifically, just an overall generalization.



posted on Jan, 29 2012 @ 12:01 PM
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Iran has demonized itself. It has only itself to thank for its incredible appalling Human rights abuses and anybody that says the United States, or Great Britain, or Canada, or Israel has Human rights issues on par with countries like Syria and Iran and North Korea and Pakistan is a damn liar and/or a brainwashed hypocrite. I dont personally care that you think these countries have a "right" to exist. When you murder your own citizens based on their sexual orientation or their religious or political ideology then you have lost all right to govern in the 21st century. This isnt a joke. Peoples lives arent a joke. And you, who thinks youre anti-war, is more for the angst and pain of our species then the Mullahs that hold power in the Islamic Republic of Iran.


Right. It is their values, their beliefs, their mores, their religion, their way of life. Just because they don't conform to your "western ideals" does not mean that we have any right to impose our beliefs on them! What are you doing to "correct" the situation if you believe that people that think Iran should be left alone are worse than the "Mullahs that hold power in the Islamic Republic of Iran"?



posted on Jan, 29 2012 @ 12:02 PM
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Originally posted by Mikehawk
reply to post by theRhenn
 


You're not making any sense, there was no hate in the OP's post. This is exactly what I mean, the minute someone posts a thread that highlights the Jingoists on ATS the thread is flooded with imperialistic nationalistic pride in the form of American Exceptionalism.

It's as predictable as the sunrise.


Did you read it? Or, are you a fanboi? No hate?

See, this is what I dont get... It's the same as the OPs OP that was shut down.

"You americans are bla bla bla bla.. You kill bla bla bla bla.. Amadinamoron is super cool.. Lies Lies Lies from america" How ignorant is that? I even took the time to show as many examples of his faulty logic by links and vids. I was happy to see that I was able to do so before the Mod closed it. Otherwise, it looked like the damn nazi night of the long arms taking place here on ATS.

That kinda nonsense, I would HOPE, is not welcome here. As the mod's actions went.. I'm glad to see it is NOT tolerated here. Say what you will about america or any other country.. But back it up with real info.. Not BS!



posted on Jan, 29 2012 @ 12:05 PM
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Originally posted by superman2012
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Iran has demonized itself. It has only itself to thank for its incredible appalling Human rights abuses and anybody that says the United States, or Great Britain, or Canada, or Israel has Human rights issues on par with countries like Syria and Iran and North Korea and Pakistan is a damn liar and/or a brainwashed hypocrite. I dont personally care that you think these countries have a "right" to exist. When you murder your own citizens based on their sexual orientation or their religious or political ideology then you have lost all right to govern in the 21st century. This isnt a joke. Peoples lives arent a joke. And you, who thinks youre anti-war, is more for the angst and pain of our species then the Mullahs that hold power in the Islamic Republic of Iran.


Right. It is their values, their beliefs, their mores, their religion, their way of life. Just because they don't conform to your "western ideals" does not mean that we have any right to impose our beliefs on them! What are you doing to "correct" the situation if you believe that people that think Iran should be left alone are worse than the "Mullahs that hold power in the Islamic Republic of Iran"?


Youre an ignoranus if you say that everybody that lives in Iran shares the same beliefs in the origin of our universe as Shia Muslims. They are intimidated by the theocracy that surrounds them. You are a hypocrite if you say that you are against a government where you wont be executed by that government for criticizing that very same government and think that in a country like Iran, where opposition to the government means you will be publicly executed for that, is a good thing.

That is a universal right. So is it a universal right that everybody has the right to exist. We arent talking about governments. Were talking about people.
edit on 29-1-2012 by theBigToe because: are to arent



posted on Jan, 29 2012 @ 12:05 PM
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Originally posted by againuntodustFor one, I see just the opposite. Most members here are critical of the US and point out that Islam is not the enemy.

Second, the thread you linked and said is closed, is not closed.


Well yes, ATS is here to spread truth. And truth is that US wars pretty much more than other world countries. So problem is when Im critical about US, I am called anti-US-racist. Also, if I say some facts against Israel war policy, I'm anti-semitic.

We must have some dialogue where is allowed to talk about war policy of US, and Israel. Thinks are not made up, don't get offended when somebody say that US and Israel is biggest war creator, it is hard to escape that truth. We can't deny that.

I just say I'm against war.

I can't post on thread I linked, author also can't. If other members can post there, well I don't know what to say then, there will be just one point of view.



posted on Jan, 29 2012 @ 12:10 PM
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Youre an ignoranus if you say that everybody that lives in Iran shares the same beliefs in the origin of our universe as Shia Muslims.


First of all, great Freudian slip there, but it's ignoramus. Second, I never said that. I said they have their own ideals that are quite different than the "western" countries, and just because it goes against what we are taught is right, doesn't mean it is wrong for them.




You are a hypocrite if you say that you are against a government where you wont be executed by that government for criticizing that very same government and think that in a country like Iran, where opposition to the government means you will be publicly executed for that, is a good thing.


I require a little more clarification about the actual question you are asking here and I will be glad to address the charges made against me that I am a hypocrite.



posted on Jan, 29 2012 @ 12:12 PM
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Originally posted by real_one

Originally posted by beezzer
Just one page and I'd say the hate is pretty one-sided towards the west right now.

Just saying.


I normally don't respond to your posts due to the blatant twist you put on things. My pity goes out to the members who read your posts and believe what you type. You say the hate is one sided, yet you're unable to provide one hateful statement.

You people are a real piece of work...there is no hate in this thread, just some really well thought out opinions that seem to hit really close to home for some people.

Next time you plan on making such a bold claim, take it up another level and actually copy and paste some of these make believe hateful statements you speak of.


What you call well thought out opinions, others would see as hateful rhetoric.

I'll take your suggestions under advisement.



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posted on Jan, 29 2012 @ 12:17 PM
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Originally posted by Slavich

Originally posted by theRhenn
reply to post by ferumbra
 


Its not pro US anti Islamic. It's the way you pull off your posts. They're idiotic and filled with racial hate. Im not saying you're an idiot.. I'm saying that what you put in your OPs are full of hatred. We can do without that here on ATS.

If your discussions were half way civil, there would be no problem.

The last post you made was terribly void of any logic. Remember.. Deny ignorance. The information you put up, as one responder put it, was throwing rocks in a glass house. If you understand that mataphore, then you would get the jist of it.



You obviously did not read the post.


Of course I did.. I even quoted it. Dont pull that ignorant tactic on me. I read what I respond to, thank you very much.



posted on Jan, 29 2012 @ 12:23 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by real_one

Originally posted by beezzer
Just one page and I'd say the hate is pretty one-sided towards the west right now.

Just saying.


I normally don't respond to your posts due to the blatant twist you put on things. My pity goes out to the members who read your posts and believe what you type. You say the hate is one sided, yet you're unable to provide one hateful statement.

You people are a real piece of work...there is no hate in this thread, just some really well thought out opinions that seem to hit really close to home for some people.

Next time you plan on making such a bold claim, take it up another level and actually copy and paste some of these make believe hateful statements you speak of.


What you call well thought out opinions, others would see as hateful rhetoric.

I'll take your suggestions under advisement.


The overall purpose of my previous comment to you was for you to show us a statement that you consider to be "hateful rhetoric" and also to explain why that statement is hateful. Just because someone disagrees with you and mentions a few things that are not within your realm of understanding, does not make it hateful.

I know you're type, the type of person who automatically labels well deserved criticism of a certain group as hateful rhetoric while you mirror your own hateful rhetoric. Just in case you're not aware of it people can be against actions of a terrorist government without actually hating the people of that country.

I'm interested to hear your opinion on which statements in this thread have been hateful.



posted on Jan, 29 2012 @ 12:25 PM
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TextJust in case you're not aware of it people can be against actions of a terrorist government without actually hating the people of that country.





posted on Jan, 29 2012 @ 12:26 PM
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No, not a slip. A deliberate accusation that you are both ignorant and an anus.


Oh good, we are acting like adults here and debating a topic rather than going down the path of kindergarten children.

Please point out my ignorance, with sources or something besides your infantile "You're wrong, I'm right" attitude.




And you are a biased anti-American hating hypocrite that says you love freedom but yet you think societys that suppress free speech and free thought by killing those that think differently then the government should somehow build up huge armies and WMD for preparation with war with us, when they clearly and obviously make no secret that they want to wipe us out.

I am!??!? The only people I hate, and I have stated it before, are war-mongers. So if you are self identifying yourself as that, then yes, I hate you. Are you trying to tell me that the US or any country for that matter doesn't suppress free speech? Does the US have a massive army that is bankrupting its country? Does the US have WMD? Where is your proof that Iran does? The IAEA says they don't, your Secretary of Defense says they don't, Iran says the don't and the ISIS says they don't. Is this just conjecture on your part? I am going to assume that you have sources as you are arguing this point quite feverishly.



Not defeat the U.S. They want to wipe us out.


Don't listen to the other kids in school who in turn listen to their scared parents. Do some critical thinking and research and you will see what other people see. Please source where Iran wants to wipe out the US.




Yes, lets just let them build bombs, isolate ourselves, and everything that the second World War was fought for, i.e. a secular right to exist, you can kiss it goodbye. Thanks to far left liberals like you who would rather appease these hideous war criminals then deal with them.


I don't agree with them having nukes either, but, how can any country with nuclear weapons tell another country not to have them? No country has used them besides the US thus far. PS- the only reason you entered the second world war was to press sanctions against Japan until it felt it had no choice but to attack the US...sound familiar? I would say Iran is facing the provocations set against it quite well in not attacking first.



posted on Jan, 29 2012 @ 12:31 PM
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Anytime one of these "poor Iran" threads comes up, you get a subset of posters that insult the military, insult the west, insult the intelligence of the west.

Does your scroll work?

Just read the comments without bias. You'll see then.



posted on Jan, 29 2012 @ 12:41 PM
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Originally posted by superman2012
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No, not a slip. A deliberate accusation that you are both ignorant and an anus.


Oh good, we are acting like adults here and debating a topic rather than going down the path of kindergarten children.

Please point out my ignorance, with sources or something besides your infantile "You're wrong, I'm right" attitude.




And you are a biased anti-American hating hypocrite that says you love freedom but yet you think societys that suppress free speech and free thought by killing those that think differently then the government should somehow build up huge armies and WMD for preparation with war with us, when they clearly and obviously make no secret that they want to wipe us out.

I am!??!? The only people I hate, and I have stated it before, are war-mongers. So if you are self identifying yourself as that, then yes, I hate you. Are you trying to tell me that the US or any country for that matter doesn't suppress free speech? Does the US have a massive army that is bankrupting its country? Does the US have WMD? Where is your proof that Iran does? The IAEA says they don't, your Secretary of Defense says they don't, Iran says the don't and the ISIS says they don't. Is this just conjecture on your part? I am going to assume that you have sources as you are arguing this point quite feverishly.



Not defeat the U.S. They want to wipe us out.


Don't listen to the other kids in school who in turn listen to their scared parents. Do some critical thinking and research and you will see what other people see. Please source where Iran wants to wipe out the US.




Yes, lets just let them build bombs, isolate ourselves, and everything that the second World War was fought for, i.e. a secular right to exist, you can kiss it goodbye. Thanks to far left liberals like you who would rather appease these hideous war criminals then deal with them.


I don't agree with them having nukes either, but, how can any country with nuclear weapons tell another country not to have them? No country has used them besides the US thus far. PS- the only reason you entered the second world war was to press sanctions against Japan until it felt it had no choice but to attack the US...sound familiar? I would say Iran is facing the provocations set against it quite well in not attacking first.


The ignorance....

Take care. This is why negotiations with countries like Iran cease and it comes to war. You are absolute on your stance and instead of taking responsibility for your own actions you blame everybody else. That you hate the U.S. for possessing nuclear weapons, when it created that technology forever ago, and are propping up Iran's right to build nuclear bombs in 2012 for "peaceful purposes" when it sits on nothing but oil, is ridiculous and doesnt even warrant a well thought out response, especially when their leadership says they will use them, and when their government backs terrorist cells like Hezbollah, who will do whatever they can to set one of those bombs off in a Western city. Nobody needs to build nuclear energy and nuclear bombs. Do you hear me? NOBODY.





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