The date and location for the controversial pilot project were announced with great fanfare at the British Science Festival in September, but the scientific advisers to its funding council have criticised the decision to make the test date public before sufficient public discussion about the nature and future implications of the project

The planned first test involved pumping 150 litres of water into the air to study whether the engineering of the project was feasible. The date and timing of the first test was unveiled publicly on 14 September but just two weeks later on 29 September the EPSRC announced that the project was being delayed for six months to "allow time for more engagement with stakeholders".

Originally posted by Neysa

Why does Evergreen Aviation say that it's Supertanker is capable of "weather modification"?
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With all due respect, Phage, I would not say it's "still in it's infancy"

Why does Evergreen Aviation say that it's Supertanker is capable of "weather modification"?

Deliberate or inadvertent alteration of atmospheric conditions by human activity, sufficient to modify the weather on a local or regional scale.

The general or average weather conditions of a certain region, including temperature, rainfall, and wind. On Earth, climate is most affected by latitude, the tilt of the Earth's axis, the movements of the Earth's wind belts, the difference in temperatures of land and sea, and topography. Human activity, especially relating to actions relating to the depletion of the ozone layer, is also an important factor.

1. The state of the atmosphere at a given time and place, with respect to variables such as temperature, moisture, wind velocity, and barometric pressure.

With all due respect, Phage, I would not say it's "still in it's infancy"

Originally posted by Neysa
Committee Approves Bill Establishing Weather Modification Program From 2005
I respectfully disagree
I have to leave now, dammit.
I don't understand how you can agree that there is "cloud seeding" and not see that as geo engineering/weather modification.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Neysa

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Weather modification (cloud seeding) is not geoengineering.

So then, cloud seeding DOES exist....therefore, IS considered weather modification, right? If so, then the contrail/chemtrail debate, should be done, and over with. Chemtrails...aka cloud seeding, is a FACT!

Originally posted by ProudBird
reply to post by nuttin4U

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How come plane A...leaves a normal looking trail...and yet plane B leaves a trail, MILES long...that forms into clouds?

When you look at clouds in the sky, do you not see that they are present at different altitudes? The air is not all the same, everywhere, at all altitudes. Temperature, relative humidity and thus water vapor saturation levels are different, and constantly changing over time.

Your "plane A" and "plane B" are at different altitudes.....it is that simple.

How do these trails turn a blue day, into a cloudy one?

Same way any clouds form and then develop. The contrails will act as a "trigger", when they form in conditions that allow even MORE clouds. The clouds will appear eventually, it is the nature of the ever-changing weather in the Earth's atmosphere. Contrails do act to speed up the process, though.

And also, please do tell me, is CLOUD SEEDING a reality??? If so, is WEATHER MODIFICATION, a
POSSIBILITY????

Of course, there are plenty of places where "cloud seeding" is discussed. Haven't you read them? It would help if you would, so at least would have the understanding of what it means, to "seed" clouds. You see, the only reason for that is to make precipitation happen. To kick Nature in the butt, to spur it along.

You have to have a cloud, though...in the first place, to have something to "seed". AND, not just any cloud either.

Contrails are cirrus clouds.....they look like cirrus, behave like cirrus, and evolve like cirrus. And cirrus clouds do NOT make rain or snow, and are of course NOT "seeded" in order to attempt to make precipitation.



Now, sorry, but this is off-topic and a bit inane, but I include it only as an indicator of the sort of illogical "comparisons" that are commonplace in so many flawed "arguments" of this sort:

Sure, libraries have books with pictures....but 100 years from now, when someone opens a history book, from today....will they believe fire melts steels....causing 100 story buildings to fall, at freefall speed; defying gravity and the laws of physics? Why do i use that as an example? Well, because HIS-story can be changed, whenever "they" deem necessary. How do you KNOW those books weren't reprinted...and redistributed? Now, call me "silly" but IS IT POSSIBLE????

Nothing in that rant has any hint of truth to it, just repeats of the same fallacies, with a bit of absurd thrown in.....to actually "ask" if old copyrighted books in libraries have been "reprinted"???

Come on....this is so ridiculous, I'd be embarrassed for even suggesting it.

edit on Fri 27 January 2012 by ProudBird because: (no reason given)

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by nuttin4U

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No. Not unless you want to redefine "chemtrails" to something other than what the OP is talking about.
Cloud seeding is carried out from the ground (with mortars) and from small planes which fly into and under cumulus clouds. Any trail left by a cloud seeder would probably not be visible from the ground and certainly would not persist and spread.

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Are there any other markets for the Evergreen Supertanker? Can it operate globally?
Evergreen is studying other applications for the Supertanker. Oil spill containment, chemical decontamination and weather modification are all potential markets for this aircraft. Because the aircraft is pressurized, the Evergreen Supertanker has the capability of any long-range Boeing 747 passenger aircraft. This allows the aircraft to deploy to any international location.

Originally posted by nuttin4U

Originally posted by Uncinus
Nobody claims fire melts steel.

Nobody claims weather modification does not exist.

Those are straw-man arguments.

Nobody claims fire melts steel? Nobody??? Like, NOBODY????? NO BODY?????? Really?F.E.M.A. suggests

I'll let you think about the other part of your statement.