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Originally posted by Heckren
reply to post by SuperiorEd
Enlighten me then, what is the evidence you propose and how come no serious scientists have heard about it ?
You know, science is about debunking itself, scientists are constantly trying to prove themselves wrong, and what they can't prove wrong is connected together, described, formed in to the theory, which makes predictions, and after this process, scientists try to debunk this theory testing predictions it makes.
You are just spilling religious bull# from youtube that uses pseudoscience - exact opposite of science, where they do not try to debunk themselves, they make a conclusion, and then pick suitable evidence to support their "theory" while ignoring contradicting evidence.
Now please, stop using word "science" or start behaving like a scientist
In the March 1995 issue of "Scientific American", in the article titled "Talking Trash" (see below), scientists claim to have found "word" patterns in the "junk" DNA of man. It seems that this junk DNA (segments of the DNA genome which do not encode instructions for the production of proteins) exhibits the same statistical patterns that are found in written languages.
Originally posted by Stryc9nine
did you know carbohydrate metabolism is virtually the same between humans and bacteria?
So who made the world
Originally posted by Aussie_Rock
In the beginning the WORLD was GOD
Originally posted by ObservingTheWorld
You know what amazes me about posts like this? That the OP feels he is doing God a service when in actuality he is absolutely denying the greatest of His works.
Let's take a look at what God has done. He created the Universe. Did He just say 'this looks like a good idea' and just throw the stars, planets and galaxies together? He did He created a set of immutable laws that finely govern every aspect of this immeasurable Universe down to the smallest quark?
There are absolute principles that keep the Universe in order. These are undeniable. To deny them is in reality denying God Himself as He created everything and set the world around us in motion. He didn't take chances but had order to down to the smallest particle. This science proves, not God, per se, but His irrefutable laws.
To deny what science has proven correct in the Universe is to deny God.
Originally posted by revs0lution
Originally posted by SuperiorEd
2) We are a happy accident that defies entropy in information theory
Doesn't entropy requires a closed system ... which the solar system isn't ?
Originally posted by SuperiorEd
Like language, species show morphology. One word originates with a root. For instance. The Aleph of Hebrew is an ox. This is strength. The word father is made by adding the floor plan of the tent. This makes the word father mean the strength of the house. Add more letters to the original root and you get a new word. The root is still there.
With species and their various variety, you see something similar happen. The root of a dog is the building plan or blueprint of that species. We see lots of different dogs, but we also notice the root of the species as a DOG and not a HORSE. We know the difference, yet they are similar to each other. Behind the variety, we still see the species. We don't see humans with horse heads. If natural selection was the answer, we might see a human with horse legs. This concept in species is referred to as the specie's Bauplan. This is a a German word that refers to the "building plan" or "blueprint" of the organism. It is well understood that the Bauplan has a morphology based on the root. Where do the roots originate? Where do the letters of our language originate? Where do the proteins created by RNA originate?
If you look at an acorn, you know that there is a 75 foot oak tree enfolded into it. How does this giant form express from the tiny seed? INFORMATION! That is all we need to see to know that it is designed. To say that the oak tree evolved is to say that entropy in information theory is defied. Nature cannot make a choice. Only consciousness makes choice. What originates consciousness? This is a better question than trying to make grandiose theory to describe something that is rather obviously seen with common sense.
You mention gravity. Where does gravity originate and how is it governed? What governs the other laws in nature to precisely the correct ratios? How is it possible that we are fine tuned? Science does not have an answer for this apart from admitting a governor.
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Originally posted by Magnificient
reply to post by SuperiorEd
Use lots of crack coc aine and then have a baby with a partner who also uses lots of crack coc aine, bang! you've just programmed your child's dna to make it a crack baby.
So the first molecules are created, hydrogen collapses in to first stars, those stars create helium and other heavier elements, then they explode, again collapse in to a star, and the leftovers of matter forms first planets, on these planets you have a chemical factory, everything is boiling, comets with various materials are falling from each side, everything is mixing up together and bam, after 1 000 000 000 years of mixing, first molecule that can copy itself is created(can you imagine that time of random mixing ?), the RNA, its in a small bubble, and sometimes error occurs, doubling the number of acids in this molecule, it binds together, and add another 1 000 000 000 years of this small errors, and you have very primitive bacteria.
Originally posted by SuperiorEd
Originally posted by Stryc9nine
did you know carbohydrate metabolism is virtually the same between humans and bacteria?
That is because is is based on Chemiosmosis. The odd thing about this stands out as the single greatest evidence for intelligent design. The process is one of deriving energy in a nearly 100% efficient manner. Your body runs on the equivalent of a light bulb worth of energy. Chemoiosmosis is currently being studied and duplicated on a larger scale to produce fuel cells for cars. The body, somehow, possesses the BEST technology possible at every step. Check your eyes. Have you ever seen a camera that can do what they do? Ears? We are intricate and subtle machines and there is no getting around our design. It is inescapable.
Originally posted by SpeachM1litant
reply to post by SuperiorEd
Humans invented the alphabet. What is your point? Even if our genes have some relation to linguistic patterns, it would still prove nothing. It would just show that our genes affect our thought patterns which in turn affects our language.
Originally posted by SuperiorEd
No for one very good reason. The sun and the moon are necessary components to the overall design. They are mirrors to the rest. The sun and moon allow for all life on the planet. Take them away and we get no photosynthesis. The sun and moon are in union for balance to take place. Where there is no unity in nature, there can be no multiplicity expanding from this unity. Two become one to make the next. This is the process. Follow it along. Two humans come together to make unity. This then makes a baby. The baby is created by the same process of two becoming one. Sperm and egg come together to make one new life that develops in the womb. Does the process stop? No. Right hand and left come together to do work. Feet. Eyes. Nose. Ears. Hemispheres of the brain. Lungs. Reproductive organs.
On another level, we see the ratio of 1:1.618 show up in varying degrees to make variety within the same forms. We see this ratio in the galaxy and in all things made. I could fill up page after page with the same irreducable complexity on massive levels of unrelated systems. Your analysis above says BAM, and things magically mix together with perfect complexity and purpose.
What you are essentially saying is this: The big bang took place and we see energy in a high state of order with low entropy. This would look like a wash of even glowing energy in all directions. From this, we develop what we have today. Let's just take air as an example.
Why is it that light doesn't reflect on air? It's because air is a smaller particle than the wavelength of light. How convenient. Do you even see light? No. You see what light reflects off of. What you are actually seeing with your eyes is the wavelength of a color on matter as a reflecting point. Otherwise, you would see a wash of light between you and the matter you are observing. Light is vastly more than the frequencies you see from the narrow band you are tuned to. Air just happens to be a smaller particle than the wavelength you see. You say "BAM" and it happens. I say not a chance. It is designed.
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If you want to talk philosophy, why is it that we were designed with weak eyes, compared to so many other animals? If you look at diseases like cancer, genetic disorders and some that kill children before they are 10 with nothing that can be done, it makes me question the actual "intelligence" of this "designer". The human body is far from perfect. If we were designed it was a sloppy job.
Ok I give up, you are retarded.
You assume that everything was created to suite us, not the other way around, as it actually is. If air would reflect the visible spectrum, our eyes would probably evolve to see different spectrum, probably infrared, like snakes, we would simply adjust to the environment and look differently. You cannot question how planets and stars were created, as we can actually see the process by telescopes everywhere in universe, you are so narrow minded that you think that how we look like is the only possibility, but there are endless possibilities of how conscious being can look like. Scientists created a cell made of metals, there even can be a silicon based beings, countless experiments proved that.
Originally posted by SuperiorEd
I would say that any theory that excludes the pre-existence of consciousness denies what science is actually showing from current theory. Even the head of the Genome Project sides with me.
Originally posted by SuperiorEd
Do you think he has reason to see DNA as digital information that is programmed beyond the logic we currently use for our own computers?
Originally posted by SuperiorEd
God never gives enough to turn faith into fact.
Originally posted by Prezbo369
Originally posted by SuperiorEd
Evolution cannot be measured. Intelligent design, however, can be measured and verified.
Oh 'Superior'-bandteacher-Ed...........I see your grossly overinflated ego has spilled over from the religion forum into this one. However must I warn you, your incessant rants containing nothing other than your imagination will not get as much traction here as they did in the religion forum.
You're in over your head....Ed