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Updated June 18, 2011 23:07:00
Afghan president Hamid Karzai says the United States is holding talks with the Taliban, in the first official confirmation of such contacts after nearly 10 years of war. ... But the US has declined to confirm or deny Mr Karzai's claims, made in a speech in Kabul. ... Mr Karzai said an Afghan push towards peace talks had not yet reached a stage where the government and insurgents were meeting, but their representatives had been in touch.
"Peace talks are going on with the Taliban. The foreign military and especially the United States itself is going ahead with these negotiations," Mr Karzai said.
AP Exclusive: US talks to Afghan insurgent group
Top-level U.S. officials have held talks with a representative of an insurgent movement led by a former Afghan prime minister branded a terrorist by Washington. ... Dr. Ghairat Baheer, representative of longtime Afghan warlord Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, told A. P. this week that he had met separately with David Petraeus, former leader of NATO forces (now CIA director), and had face-to-face discussions earlier this month with U.S. Ambassador Ryan Crocker and U.S. Marine Gen. John Allen, currently the top commander in the country.
Baheer, who was released in 2008 after six years in U.S. detention at Bagram Air Field in Afghanistan, described his talks with U.S. officials as nascent and exploratory. Baheer says the discussions show that the U.S. knows that in addition to getting the blessing of Taliban chief Mullah Mohammad Omar - a bitter rival of Hekmatyar even though both are fighting international troops - any peace deal would have to be supported by Hekmatyar, who has thousands of fighters and followers primarily in the north and east.
In Washington, National Security Council spokeswoman Caitlin Hayden would not confirm that such meetings took place."
Overtures to Hekmatyar's group show not only the degree of U.S. interest in pursuing a settlement but also the complexity of putting together an agreement acceptable to all sides in factious Afghanistan. The U.S. formally declared Hekmatyar a "global terrorist" in 2003.
He declared war on foreign troops in his country and rebuilt his military forces, which by 2008 had become a major threat to the U.S.-led coalition.
Contacts with Hekmatyar's group as well as parallel efforts to negotiate with the Taliban have taken on new urgency following the NATO decision to withdraw foreign combat forces by the end of 2014.
On Sunday, the U.S. special envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan, Marc Grossman, completed two days of meetings about the peace process with Karzai and other Afghan officials. Grossman, who was to travel to Qatar on Monday, urged the Taliban to issue a "clear statement" against international terrorism and affirm their commitment to the peace process "to end the armed conflict in Afghanistan."
U.S. officials also have reached out to the Pakistan-based Haqqani militant network to test its interest in peace talks.
KABUL, Afghanistan — No peace talks with the Taliban this week: That was the short message on Sunday from the American envoy charged with starting those negotiations.
What is obvious, however, is that the first steps are being taken by American officials, working through the Persian Gulf state of Qatar, and President Karzai’s aides had expressed concern that they might be sidelined.
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U.S. to Engage Taliban in Peace Talks
The Obama administration is moving ahead with plans for negotiating with the Taliban, confident that talks offer the best chance to end the 10-year-old war in Afghanistan. But the military worries things are moving too fast, and intelligence agencies offered a gloomy prognosis in their latest Afghanistan report. U.S. officials said the most discussions to date between U.S. and Taliban negotiators could happen in the next week.
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U.S. outreach to the Taliban are. The diplomatic, military and intelligence branches of the U.S. government differ over the value of talks with the Taliban or whether now is the right time to so publicly shift focus away from the military campaign that targets Taliban insurgents. The official said negotiators are talking to intermediaries for the main Taliban command in Pakistan.
Originally posted by beezzer
We could win the war, and ensure the safety of people in the future.
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Tw0Sides
You hit those "sheppards" so damned hard that they will NOT try to blow up markets, ships, American interests anymore.
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by mastahunta
Oh please!
For some in the middle east, the Crusades was YESTERDAY!
Tell that to the countless bombing in Europe, the USS Cole, 2 attacks on the world trade center, countless market bombings!
These people attack because thery know they can get away with it!
Originally posted by Tw0Sides
Originally posted by beezzer
We could win the war, and ensure the safety of people in the future.
How do you win the war?
Who is the enemy?
The people who are shepards when the Marines are there , and Taliban when they are not?
You gonna kill everyone?
How do you win?
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Tw0Sides
You hit those "sheppards" so damned hard that they will NOT try to blow up markets, ships, American interests anymore.
You hit them so hard that they fear any future retaliation.
THEY don't have the respect for our lords and masters that we have.
THEY acknowledge strength.
THEY sneer at "negotiations" with cannibal savages, who have delusions of grandeur.
Face it, THEY have already won.
Originally posted by mastahunta
They can get away with it, what is gonna change that?
Having MILLION troops in one city will not prevent 1 person from blowing themselves up,
or 10 for that matter.
Plus, you do realize that people who blow up due are not concerned about being caught???
come on man...
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Tw0Sides
Alas, that time is passed, though. We tried to fight this war in a kind and gentle manner (winning hearts and minds) and they laughed at our weakness.
THEY don't have the respect for life that we have.
THEY acknowlege strength.
THEY sneer at "negotiations".
Face it, THEY have already won.