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Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by absolutely
Forgive us our tresspasses, as we forgive those who tresspass against us.
"Forgive them father, for they know not what they do." (while on the cross)
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by absolutely
I wish you'd take it easy and not be so quick to judge. There is always a gap in communication, especially in textual form. If we were face to face, you never know, we might like each other! Anyway, I will withold any judgement of you, I just notice that almost every one of your posts and responses to others seems to be almost exclusively of the adversarial variety, that's all, but no worries as they say, it's all good, and that's my principal tenet, that in truth it's all good, and many of the distinctions we make in regards to religious sentiment, or about being right to another's wrong, are by their very nature false right out of the gate, since they are baised viewpoints and opinions only, without access to all information, which is available to God alone as the first/last cause or the alpha and omega of existence, who's awareness relative to ours, is as high as the stars of the heavens are above the earth, but just because we cannot know the mind of God, doesn't mean we cannot reasonably posit his existence, and then test our hypothesis in the light of experience, to see if it works and is workable, and that kind of work isn't easy. You don't know me or what I've been through, so please, please, have mercy and save the negative judgements, like calling me evil or whatever, thank you, we all deserve the benefit of the doubt as they say, because no one can take another person's personal inventory or pronounce judgement on them, and in truth this non-judgement and unconditional love is represented by Jesus' at-one-ment as an image of the height of the twin pillars of justice, and mercy, please don't assume that you know in absolute terms things which we are all of us still learning about, exploring and sharing with one another.
OUR LADY AND ISLAM: HEAVEN’S PEACE PLAN
Fr Ladis J. Cizik, Blue Army National Executive Director
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Islam
Islam is an Arabic word that can be defined as "to make peace." Islam is the religion founded by Mohammed, which considers the Koran as its holy book. In addition, Islam accepts the New Testament of the Christians and the Old Testament of the Jews as Divinely inspired works. Followers of Islam are known as Muslims (also: Moors, Turks, and Moslems) and, just as Jews and Christians, believe in only one God. Yet, over the centuries, Muslims have engaged in tremendous wars with Christians and Jews. It would seem that there is little hope for peace. However, Heaven's Peace Plan, involving Our Lady, is evidenced at Fatima, Portugal as well as other places around the world.
Fatima
The Moors once occupied Portugal. The village of Fatima was given the Islamic name of the well-loved Princess of the nearby Castle of Ourem. She died at an early age after marrying the Count of Ourem and converting to Catholicism. Baptized with the Christian name of Oureana, she was named at birth "Fatima," like many other Moslem girls, in honor of the daughter of Mohammed. Of his daughter, Fatima, the founder of Islam, Mohammed, said: "She has the highest place in heaven after the Virgin Mary."
It is a fact that Moslems from various nations, especially from the Middle East, make so many pilgrimages to Our Lady of Fatima's Shrine in Portugal that Portuguese officials have expressed concern. The combination of an Islamic name and Islamic devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary is a great attraction to Moslems. God is writing straight with crooked lines, as we will see. Fatima is a part of Heaven's Peace Plan. It is hope for the world.
Mexico
In the fullness of time, we can be sure that Almighty God knew that the Islamic religion would pose a serious threat to Christianity. God also knew that the Spanish missionaries would face grave resistance in the "new world" from the mighty Aztec Indians. The Aztecs worshipped an evil stone "serpent god" that demanded human sacrifice. It was extremely difficult to win souls for Christ from these bloodthirsty savages. However, with God all things are possible. Our Lady appeared to a humble Aztec Indian convert by the name of Juan Diego in 1531. When asked her name by Juan Diego, at the request of the local bishop, Our Lady's response, in the Aztec language, included the words "te coatlaxopeuh" (pronounced: "te quatlasupe") and meant "one who crushes the head of the stone serpent."
To Juan Diego and his fellow Aztecs, this revelation had great meaning, coupled with the miraculous image of Our Lady standing on top of a "crescent," the symbol of this evil serpent god. A tidal wave of conversions to Catholicism ensued. However, Bishop Zumarraga, who was from Spain, made what was no doubt a "heavenly mistake" that one day may lead to the mass conversion of Moslems. To the Bishop's Spanish ears, Our Lady's Aztec name of "Te Quatlasupe" sounded just like the name of the revered Madonna from Spain with the Islamic name, "Guadalupe." Hence, the bishop named the Mexican Madonna "Our Lady of Guadalupe." It is interesting that the "crescent" is also the symbol for Islam and that America's Shrine to Our Lady has an Islamic name.
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by Biliverdin
Without Mary's love, and Joseph's (also a hero), Jesus would not have been Jesus, but that said, who and what he became, wasn't born of the flesh, but of the spirit. Mary's deification by the RCC is problematic imho. 'nuff said.
There are subtle (and intentionally directed) nuances in this exchange for those with the eyes to see.
Originally posted by casenately
on a side note, the whole Mary thing,
The mother goddess is a unifying concept across many cultures and seems to find common ground in all people.
It's funny how the Koran mentions Mary more than the Holy Bible.
There has been an active effort to eliminate her from the central story.
Originally posted by NotThat
reply to post by casenately
My hero is a nun. She helps drug addicts as they get out of prison. She buys cheap houses and teaches ex-cons how to rehabilitate the homes. She rents out the houses very cheaply to the ex-cons and their families. She provides anti-violence workshops and AA groups.
She does it all by herself.
I am here to say ENOUGH! Enough with the dumbing down, enough with the herding of people as if they are a collective group of animals.
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
What is the wind, which blows where it pleases, and which we "know not from whence it comes or wither it goes"?
Unconstrained, and radically free is what it is.
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
From where does evil arise but from a failure in love,
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
and mutual awareness and understanding, at all levels, from the family of origin as a bottom-up phenomenon, to the waging of war by nations, as a prime example of top-down evil often generated by design so as to consolidate "power" by certain corrupt "elitist" institutions, groups, or "houses" (super wealthy families)?
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
"surely goodness and love will follow us all the days of our lives and we will dwell in the house of the Lord forever" (23rd Psalm).
Originally posted by casenately
I just want to add that you almost need a doctorate to understand the "message" Jesus gave. At the very least an unrelenting thirst for truth to hunt it down so as to truly "understand" what we should get from this man's "life".