War Looming With Argentina??

Originally posted by blueorder

Originally posted by starchild10

We will have to agree to differ. Going by your user name, I don't expect you to see things differently. Heil the Great British Empire!

Empire? Heil?

The islands were uninhabited ffs and what the hell has the national socialist comment got to do with this?

We set up a 'protectorate' - they were colonised - learn your history. It doesn't even matter whether they were inhabited or not. I weould like to see the UK reaction is say the Argies had taken over the Isle of Wight

Nothing will happen regarding the Falkland Islands - people should stop getting so wound up by this topic.

Argentina will rattle sabres for years to come - the economy there is still bad after they had their own financial collapse and sabre rattling is good for drumming up nationalistic support.

Argentina's neighbours would never actually support a war against Britain, Britain would not start a war with Argentina and Argentina wouldn't unless something goes badly wrong there - they know they would get spanked and they cannot afford it. And far more importantly, it may prompt Barclays into calling in their debts!

Originally posted by starchild10

Originally posted by blueorder

Originally posted by starchild10

We will have to agree to differ. Going by your user name, I don't expect you to see things differently. Heil the Great British Empire!

Empire? Heil?

The islands were uninhabited ffs and what the hell has the national socialist comment got to do with this?

We set up a 'protectorate' - they were colonised - learn your history. It doesn't even matter whether they were inhabited or not. I weould like to see the UK reaction is say the Argies had taken over the Isle of Wight

See you have ignored your national socialist remark- good

This is hardly empire building is it, and as for Argentina taking over the isle of wight, stupid analogy as Argentina did not exist when we took control of these uninhabited islands

Well we are all in it togeather. So cameron and cleggy should lead the charge. forwards into the breach lads . You lead the way and we will follow you.
Another war, just what is needed to keep every one distracted from the bollocks the politicians have created, with the banking crisis ect ect.
As a brit I think we should share the oil and other wealth with the argies. Rather that than send our sons to die for an oil company and their rich friends.

reply to post by illuminnaughty


I don't think the argies want to share..

Originally posted by illuminnaughty
As a brit I think we should share the oil and other wealth with the argies. Rather that than send our sons to die for an oil company and their rich friends.

Totally agree. Or die for some people who want to be british but don't want to live anywhere near their 'parent' land.

Originally posted by starchild10
I think we should give the islands up. It's on the other side of the world. What are we doing there ffs? It's beyond sefish for the islanders to expect people to die for them.
Plus what has it cost this country in ongoing defence?
Offer to repatriate them and negotiate a deal gving some protection to those who want to stay but let's not have people going home in body bags (either Argies or Brits) for their sake.

edit on 19-1-2012 by starchild10 because: (no reason given)

repatriate them to who?you do realise that they was no argentina when we discovered them or inhabitants.wishy washy liberal ideas have no place in reality.

reply to post by illuminnaughty


we offered them 50% of the mineral rights and they told us to get stuffed so tough, they had their chance and blew it

Originally posted by illuminnaughty
Well we are all in it togeather. So cameron and cleggy should lead the charge. forwards into the breach lads . You lead the way and we will follow you.
Another war, just what is needed to keep every one distracted from the bollocks the politicians have created, with the banking crisis ect ect.
As a brit I think we should share the oil and other wealth with the argies. Rather that than send our sons to die for an oil company and their rich friends.

why not share it with everyone then.their was no argentina when we found the isles,so your point is mute.

Originally posted by blueorder

See you have ignored your national socialist remark- good

I don't take back anything. These islanders are asserting their right to be british, while not wanting to live anywhere near us. Seems they want the best of both worlds. In any case our last little gung ho operation there was not so much about protecting their rights but a diversion to save Maggie's political skin. Shame people had to die for it. Unfortunately it looks as though history may be repeating itself.

reply to post by starchild10


what do you mean by 'people who want to be british'they are british,more so than any of the foriegn immigrants who are given passports like sweeties.

Originally posted by starchild10

I don't take back anything.

If you don't take it back your "heil" reference just makes you look childish- what relevance has a national socialist term to this discussion- so whether you take it back, you can't justify it, that'll do fer me

These islanders are asserting their right to be british,

They simply are British- it is the warmongering imperialist Argentinians who are questioning their nationality

while not wanting to live anywhere near us.

What has that got to do with nationality, ffs are people in Alaska not American? (there are a myriad of other examples but that will do)- I suggest you get onto the UN and enlighten them with your weird little assessment of nationality

Seems they want the best of both worlds.

What, the right to live in peace without a foreign nation trying to grab their land?

In any case our last little gung ho operation there was not so much about protecting their rights but a diversion to save Maggie's political skin. Shame people had to die for it. Unfortunately it looks as though history may be repeating itself.

I'm pretty sure Maggie did not take control of the Argentinian state and invade sovereign British land- I'm pretty sure, as powerful as it was, that did not happen.

So, although the war benefited her, it was not of her choosing, you have some childish reasoning from definition of nationality to assessment of who invaded territory and started a war

See there has been a little more to add to the sabre rattling - the Falkland Islands government have refused to allow a cruise ship (mainly full of Argies) to dock at Port Stanley. They are saying it is because of a vomiting bug - as a small territory they are not equipped to deal with any outbreaks. Fair enough on the face of it but i bet we see this sued in some way over the next week!

Originally posted by michael1983l
I will dust off my uniform and come out of military retirement to keep those Islands. Its not about Britain its about allowing those people to decide their own fate. I would lay down my life in a heartbeat if it meant a better life for those I defend.

I would also be willing to rejoin and hit the armouries and grab my rifle once more for our far of brothers & sisters freedom & right to decide the own future in the Falkland's, we was there first on those uninhabited islands, Argentina wasn't even a nation when we Brits colonised, as is 82, there will be no shortage of troops and support from the public, and they should no we will hit them harder then ever this time round...

Originally posted by illuminnaughty
Well we are all in it togeather. So cameron and cleggy should lead the charge. forwards into the breach lads . You lead the way and we will follow you.
Another war, just what is needed to keep every one distracted from the bollocks the politicians have created, with the banking crisis ect ect.
As a brit I think we should share the oil and other wealth with the argies. Rather that than send our sons to die for an oil company and their rich friends.

We have been very active for the past 30yrs in trying to extended our hand to the Argies, as we have before 1982, we have offered them an equal shares in all of the Falkland's resources and offered to go on joint oil expeditions in the region that would have seen huge cuts in its spiralling unemployment & poverty problems, and seen major oil production ports pop up all over, they declined,

Originally posted by starchild10

Originally posted by blueorder

Originally posted by starchild10

We will have to agree to differ. Going by your user name, I don't expect you to see things differently. Heil the Great British Empire!

Empire? Heil?

The islands were uninhabited ffs and what the hell has the national socialist comment got to do with this?

We set up a 'protectorate' - they were colonised - learn your history. It doesn't even matter whether they were inhabited or not. I weould like to see the UK reaction is say the Argies had taken over the Isle of Wight

Here's where you need to use abit more brain power my friend

First we would have to assume Argies colonised the Isles of Wight over 5.000 yrs ago

Secondly, the Isle of Wight are well under a mile of the coast/main land UK and well inside our territorial waters, the Falklands are 300miles from main land Argentina well outside its own territorial waters

The same cannot be said about The Falklands in any case, they are and have always been British ever before the Spanish stole the land from the native Americans... we Brits did not steal those uninhabited archipelagos of anyone,

Originally posted by stirling
The Argies have only one real weapon to play in such a game, and that is obviously anti ship missiles.....
It would be interesting to note if they have resupplied themselves withsame....

This is not 1982

Are you even aware of the capabilities of the new Royal Navy's Type45 destroyers we have down there? they can track and destroy 300 targets thousands of mile away, the radar is better then any international airport radar in Argentina, we have many Type 45 destroyers, they wont get an aircraft of the ground this time round,

The Royal Navy is more the capable of dealing with anything Argentina & any of its allies bring to the table, in 2015 when the new aircraft carries are ready forget it...

Originally posted by stirling
The Argies have only one real weapon to play in such a game, and that is obviously anti ship missiles.....
It would be interesting to note if they have resupplied themselves withsame....

Please for the love of god... stop pretending to be British, its kind of cringe, oh and try harder at school

Give what back? how about Argentina hand there land back to the natives they massacred for it? and we will hand the Falklands back to penguins? deal?

Since when in life do you give back to people what was never theirs to begin with, especially when it is a vital source of your survival ? GET REAL will you lol

Originally posted by starchild10


We will have to agree to differ. Going by your user name, I don't expect you to see things differently. Heil the Great British Empire!

Its is more then obvious you hate the Brits, i would ask for you to remember we here today are not responsible for action take hundreds of years ago in a survival of the fittest dog eat dog world, if you cannot learn to forgive & forget then we are just going in circles as a species i'm afraid my friend, i would expect a star-child to understand this,

reply to post by DAZ21

Great Britain had to surrender all it Commonwealth assets/gains to US upfront for old destroyers,planes and tanks for its war effort. Factories in Britain almost non existant due to the daily night blitz by the Luftwaffe. Thats what happens to being a world power at that time. The world policeman in the end would suffer economically. In fact GB did not get much techno and scientists from the Nazis. Russia and the US benefitted the most. GB got a few ocean going submarines for research. Germans had ocean going subs wheras GB had coastal defence subs so thats a lot of difference there

One thing if Argentina wants a war, I say we should take it to them and obliterate Benos Ares back to the stone age. Sink their aging navy. That will be what another 30 years before they annoy the Falkland Islanders again.

What the Argentinians are basically trying to do is stop everything from going to the Falklands, as in food and supplies for the Islanders, with their threatening of stopping aircraft flying from Chile to the Falklands. They are the ones who are upping the anti over this. The UK is simply responding to their provocation.

The president of Argentina can moan and complain all she wants. As long as those Islanders want to remain British who is she to tell them they cannot.

As for going to the UN. The UK will just simply VETO it.

Originally posted by paraphi

Originally posted by 11I11
This is all about oil. There is potentially billions of barrels of oil in the falklands sea!

No, it is not about oil. A rudimentary knowledge of the history of the British involvement in the Falklands would demonstrate that to be the case. Oil is only a very recent possibility.

It was about seals at one point.

Regards

It most certainly is about oil. The Argies only want the FI for that reason and never wanted them before potential oil was forecast...... Do you really believe that seal cr*p?

Originally posted by Dhimmie
It most certainly is about oil. The Argies only want the FI for that reason and never wanted them before potential oil was forecast...... Do you really believe that seal cr*p?

Yes. I believe the evidence of history. Britain's claim to the Falklands predates Argentina and well before oil. It may be that Argentina's most recent posturing is driven by oil, fisheries and other minerals, but it is only a recent excuse. Oil was not an issue in 1982 when the Argentineans invaded.

Argentina also claims South Georgia (1,500 miles away) and has put claims over the UK Antarctica territorial claim, the latter when they thought the UK would be defeated in WW2 as they were sympathetic to Nazi Germany. Incidentally, the claims for the Falklands started in gutso in WW2 too.

Regards