War Looming With Argentina??

reply to post by DAZ21


Wave after wave of what?

Between them, the likely allies of Argentina (Brazil and Venezuela) would have trouble deploying more than 40 surface vessels of all types, probably less, of old and outdated ships.

reply to post by stumason


Isn't that the biggest mistake of war? To underestimate the enemy?

I am guessing by Stu's posts over time that he is a navy officer of some sort, he has my respect either way.

Originally posted by DAZ21
reply to post by stumason

 

I know we have a good navy, and don't want to put it down. I'm sure we would do quite a lot of damage. But they could send wave after wave at us. How much ammo do we have down there?

Wave after wave of what? A large portion of the Argentine attack aircraft are in reserve due to economic hardship. It would take time, money and investment to get them all back up to war capability. The same goes for the rest of their forces that are starved of funding. They would have to do all this preparation, exercise and work up under the civilian administration in Argentina. This is not a military junta in power. Such large scale exercises and military mobilisation and work up would result in the UK re-enforcing the islands. Argentina knows this is beyond their current capability and would be a disaster.

Ah, but what everyone always seems to forget about is the biological weapons. And by that I mean airborne viruses and the like. Undetectable, and possibly highly lethal.

What if, and I know this is merely speculation, however it can be a plausible scenario to be sure, these nations were secretly developing highly contagious biological viruses that could infect, disable, even kill their enemies.

I mean, everyone always talks about terrorists as "suicide bombers" and everyone is so distracted by/afraid of nuclear war that the biological threat is more often than not overlooked, and underrated. I mean how easy would it be for these countries to send operatives into America who have either been contaminated by a deadly virus, or have some sort of deployment apparatus on them that would be almost impossible to detect (as in we don't scan people for whatever viruses they are infected with at airports) and these operatives spread such a virus to thousands, perhaps millions even before it is detected by the CDC and WHO?

That, my friends, is the real threat in my opinion. And it is a wonder that all of the worlds supposed "terrorists" haven't already done this, or thought of this instead of trying to blow everyone and everything up with conventional and nuclear weapons, when a biological weapon would be much more effective and would not be detectable by today's methods.

A man boards an airplane and infects everyone aboard. Those people infect hundreds and even thousands more...and so on.

So the real question is, why hasn't this happened yet? Biological warfare is much more effective than conventional. Let's just hope that Argentina, and Iran haven't figured this out yet...

Just my two coppers...

Originally posted by DAZ21
Again the trouble brewing over the Falklands raises It's head once again.

I would think that Iran, Argentina and that other country (was it Saudi Arabia?) that was met by Adminihat recently MAY collude together to hold back on oil.

As such oil would be used to choke & dibilitate the US. Why don't we see that?

And you know what? We deserve it. Because we have not transitioned to free-energy or even renewal energy sources that will be our downfall. It is clear as day to me. The Govt knows about free-energy, but won't release the info because they want us to purchase oil. What will happen when gasoline hits $100 a gallon? We will be doomed.

Heck we are doomed already. We use oil for everything. Imagine no more plastic either?

US may be the greatest military in the world, but without much oil to import we would be reduced to next to nothing.

As we saw with Japan, nuclear energy is like playing with fire. An uncontrollable fire.

The Govt needs to release the files on free-energy - NOW!

My 2 cents.

reply to post by EyesII


Problem is that most countries who drill oil don't refine it! That is one thing that the US and the west in general has going for it. Even Iran with all its oil has to export it for refining! You can't just drill it up and pour it in to a airplane as fuel.

The Argies have only one real weapon to play in such a game, and that is obviously anti ship missiles.....
It would be interesting to note if they have resupplied themselves withsame....

reply to post by paraphi

It was about seals at one point.

And Whale Oil!

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
Britain is in serious debt:

Britain in Debt, Daily Mail

I suppose they need a war to make some money...Hmmm

edit on 18-1-2012 by THE_PROFESSIONAL because: (no reason given)

War doesn't make you money for crying out loud, not as a nation, certain individuals and companies might profit, but rarely nations

The Falklands are very well defended now, I was there back in the 90's and we had Tornado's (now replaced with Typhoon). The islands are ringed with Rapier 2. A mix of Army units upto battalion level. there were 2 Royal navy frigates/destroyers on patrol and at least 2 subs that I knew of.. This was of course 20 years ago, but I still have friends who are serving and they've not told me of any reduction out there.

Also the Radar on Byron Heights is (was) so good it could detect commercial planes taking off from Rio. And I'm sure thats been upgraded in the last 20 years to something way better.


Peace

Rock Ape

I think we should give the islands up. It's on the other side of the world. What are we doing there ffs? It's beyond sefish for the islanders to expect people to die for them.
Plus what has it cost this country in ongoing defence?
Offer to repatriate them and negotiate a deal gving some protection to those who want to stay but let's not have people going home in body bags (either Argies or Brits) for their sake.

reply to post by starchild10


What? Oh dear Lord...

Give them up? To whom? They are British by right and the islanders have said as much, which is the end of the matter as far as any international law goes. Proximity has nothing to do with it.

reply to post by michael1983l


Unfortunately not. I had always wanted to be in the Navy and I keep abreast of things, but circumstance prevented me from joining up. My brother was in the RN for quite some time though and I'm from a military family, so I've always had an unhealthy obsession with big things that blow things up!

Thanks anyhoo

The way everyone is utterly sick of the Con-Dems makes me wonder if Cameron would push Argentina into it just so he could emulate thatcher and win an election on the back of a war...

Britain has had control of the falklands since well before the independent nation of Argentina was formed. The argies have no legitimate claim.

I hope the Argentinian warmongers realise their folly, I admire a lot about Argentina but this would be a war I support, not like Iraq

Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by starchild10

 

What? Oh dear Lord...

Give them up? To whom? They are British by right and the islanders have said as much, which is the end of the matter as far as any international law goes. Proximity has nothing to do with it.

We will have to agree to differ. Going by your user name, I don't expect you to see things differently. Heil the Great British Empire!

No, war is not looming with Argentina.

I wouldn't rule out a strongly worded letter though......

reply to post by starchild10


This has nothing to do with Empire but the choice of people who live there and have done so for over 200 years. The exact same amount of time, I hasten to add, that the bulk of Argentina's population has lived on the land they atually took by force from native americans!

You wouldn't ask any other group of people to leave their homes simply because a neighbouring country demanded the land.

EDIT: And my username is simply my name squished together. Nothing "Imperial" or sinister about it at all.

Originally posted by starchild10

We will have to agree to differ. Going by your user name, I don't expect you to see things differently. Heil the Great British Empire!

Empire? Heil?

The islands were uninhabited ffs and what the hell has the national socialist comment got to do with this?