Voluntary Governance - How Do We Achieve It?, page 1
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Topic started on 17-1-2012 @ 09:28 AM by domasio
I just finished watching Thrive, and it was very interesting to say the least, one of the best documentaries on the workings of the world (especially the idea of Torus and Vector Equilibrium etc. !!).

Just one thing, the only way we can achieve ANYTHING in terms of change to things such as education, healthcare and free energy, we would have to get rid of the Governments that that are forced upon us, and we would have to Govern ourselves.

Thrive states (on their website) that Involuntary Governance is this:

Today, involuntary governance is all that exists. When you step back to look at what government really is, it basically comes down to a group of people who are granted more power than the rest of us. They are able to make laws that we have to obey, they are able to charge us money in the form of taxes without our consent, they are able to put us in jail if we don’t go along with their self-proclaimed power, and they are able to go to war – with our money – without our approval.


The article then goes on to explain that we would have to get rid of our Governments. Here's my problem ... HOW?! In Egypt and such places, they went through a revolution, with violent protests, to be able to topple their Government, but another involuntary Government will always replace it. Thrive states that one solution is through Electoral Reforms (like that's ever worked), and there are other solutions, to other problems, put forward for speculation in their "Solutions" tab at their website:

www.thrivemovement.com...

I agree, that we must get rid of our Governments and Govern ourselves, at the community level, but I just don't see it happening anytime soon. People are brainwashed into thinking that they need the Government for protection, but as the website states, Government is the leading cause of deaths in the world, over 200 million in just 100 years through wars alone (think how many more through Eugenics/Medicine etc.).

I would ask this kind of thing on Facebook, but my family are just as much "sheeple" as the regular people we talk about here on ATS, so I put it forward to the brilliant minds here:

HOW do we get rid of a Government? Would it take a violent revolution? Would it simply be a case of storming our Governmental buildings? WHAT?

...let's see some imaginative ideas. I don't condone violence, but if that's what it would take, then that's what it would take, I can accept that the world wouldn't be free unless it was the only way.


reply posted on 17-1-2012 @ 10:22 AM by thisguyrighthere
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That's the number one problem. They have all the guns and all the prisons and as far as popular opinion is concerned they have all the righteousness.

Hopefully the economic situation just collapses the whole thing into oblivion so we can be free.


reply posted on 17-1-2012 @ 10:22 AM by TDawgRex
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To a degree we have Voluntary Governance, but it is just at a local level (Mayors, City Council, etc.). And it is not perfect as can be seen through all the investigations going on concerning corruption at the local level.

But the people of those cities and towns have access to their representatives. On a micro level, the populace can and do influence what their reps can and cannot do.

The people rarely have access to those at a National level and it is a rare bird that actually represents them at a national level.

Another big obstacle to Voluntary Governance is political correctness. No matter what decisions are made, there will always be someone who is offended.

Just a opinion that may show my ignorance in this matter.

S&F for ya. This is something I will have to look into much further. Crap! Back to school!


reply posted on 17-1-2012 @ 10:52 AM by TDawgRex
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I give to charity, but who is to say I gave a "Fair share?" I give what I can afford. I could probably give more, but if a life changing event were to happen to me, who will give me a fair share? In the long run, I am accountable/responsible to myself, first and foremost. After I have taken care of me, then I can look out for those less fortunate.

And I practice freedom everyday, by doing or saying what I want, where I want, and I can tell you from experiance that I piss people off from time to time.
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