Valerian used to curb/control alcohol withdrawal symptoms, page 1


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Topic started on 16-1-2012 @ 09:00 PM by tinker9917
A good friend of mine has been a heavy drinker for about 10 years, and her life hit bottom about 1 1/2 years ago. I won't disclose her personal trials, but it has been a long hard road for her.

She finally decided she had enough but she refused the embarrassment of the doctor or professionals time and time again.So, this last Friday night we sat down together at the computer looking for a home remedy.

What we found was Valerian



This herb's chemical compounds have a sedative effect, soothing the nervous system. These chemicals, called valepotriates, occur in the highest concentrations in the herb's roots, according to Michael Castleman, author of "The Healing Herbs." The sedative effect of valerian root may help tame feelings of anxiety during withdrawal from alcohol. Read more:
www.livestrong.com...

www.livestrong.com...


People use valerian to relieve anxiety, depression, and poor sleep, and also to ease menstrual and stomach cramps. Valerian has a mild calming effect that does not usually result in sleepiness the next day. As a sleep aid, valerian seems to be most effective for people who have trouble falling asleep and who consider themselves to be poor sleepers. It also has had good results for people who wake up during the night. Some studies show that valerian may provide quick relief for poor sleep

www.webmd.com...


Valerian has been compared to anxiety prescription drugs. Valerian affects the same nerve receptors as benzodiazepines. The most popular of these tranquilizers is Valium, which doctors have long prescribed to relieve symptoms of anxiety. The drug is also used to lessen the anxiety, agitation and tremors that occur during alcohol withdrawal.

www.mindpub.com...

So Saturday morning we went to the health food store and purchased Valerian.

She decided to have 2 strong drinks, one at 11 and one at 2, and a beer in between the two.
After she was done with the last drink, I asked her if she was ready to let me haul the alcohol away yet. (She was afraid of the wasted money, so I agreed to stash it safely for her in case she got the trembles or withdrawal symptoms that could lead to something more dangerous.) So I hauled the alcohol away.

About 5 o'clock she called and said was buzzed earlier and didn't mean it and wanted the alcohol back. I went over to her house with a VALERIAN Capsule, and talked her into taking that instead of the alcohol around 6pm.

We talked about various things for about 45 minutes, and all of a sudden she said "wow, I'm feeling better"
About an hour after taking the capsule she said her cravings were pretty much gone, and decided she would go to bed soon. She reported having trouble falling asleep even though she was tired, but slept through the night really well once she did fall asleep.

Sunday, day 2, by noon she was a bit agitated and wanted a capsule (but couldn't have it till evening). We walked and talked and went grocery shopping later in the afternoon. She made it through the day and took her capsule about 6 pm again.

She reported again that 45 minutes later, the cravings were much better and that an hour to 1 hr 15min after taking the capsule cravings were very tolerable, and had confidence she was going to make it. Had a hard hard time falling asleep again, but slept through the night.

Today, Monday, she was calling me at work by 2pm, crying. Heavy cravings, but she could make it till I got there. She had the Capsule about 4:30 pm this time, but she was making it.

She again reported the same time framed for reduced/diminished cravings.

This is the longest she has been alcohol free for a long, long time. I can't tell you how many times she has wanted to be alcohol free and not even made it through the day. She has not had any tremors or angry outbursts.

I thought I'd share the success so far, and I have high expectations that she is going to make it through this, after all the other failures. This natural herb seem to be helping TREMENDOUSLY.

Medical professionals should always be consulted of course, as alcohol withdrawl can be very dangerous or even fatal. But some people just refuse to seek professional help.

It's time for me to go check on her again soon, to make sure she's home, sober, and hopefully asleep. So I will be leaving this thread for a while. But I will be back!


reply posted on 16-1-2012 @ 09:16 PM by miniatus
Valerian is good but there's other things as well that are extremely beneficial that can be added to help support the process.. especially anything that will help support liver health / recovery .. and further reduce cravings

Taurine has been shown to help stop, if not reverse the damaging effects of alcohol in the liver.
Milk Thistle and Dandelion are also helpful
B-Vitamins
L-Cysteine helps clear toxins caused by alcohol
L-Glutamine helps control blood sugar and reduce alcohol cravings ..

edit on 1/16/2012 by miniatus because: (no reason given)



reply posted on 16-1-2012 @ 09:26 PM by mainidh
Originally posted by miniatus

Taurine has been shown to help stop, if not reverse the damaging effects of alcohol in the liver.


I think Taurine gets a bad rap most of the time, it's in all those energy drinks so people assume it's a stimulant, when it is in fact a calmative and helps lower blood pressure. It is added to high caffeine drinks to combat the nervous edge they give.

It's even in kitten milk u buy from stores lol red bull gives you wings, so obviously meant to imply taurine is a stimulant..

I wanted to buy bulk taurine online, but could not find anywhere... pity

Good list!


reply posted on 16-1-2012 @ 09:47 PM by Praetorius
reply to post by tinker9917

Arghghgh... you had to post this tonight! I'm considering going 120 ounces...

I'll subscribe to follow up on this thread in the next few days, but if I recall about Valerian, it has a swift tolerance so can't be used consistently for long. Sorry if this response is shortsighted - pass along my blessings - and His - to your friend.

Take care, and thanks...will follow up on this.


reply posted on 16-1-2012 @ 10:20 PM by NoRegretsEver
Originally posted by baddmove
I just started to cut down also..

I am tired of the abuse i am doing to my body..

been drinking beer for years now..

I have Valerian root in my house..

should i try it too...

scared here..

can't sleep since i cut back on the beer consumption..

was doing 13-15 beers a night..

now i am down to a 6 pack..

but i keep waking up at 2 am...

tired....


I do think that there is a difference between sleeping and drinking. I have sever insomnia, and drinking as well as over the counter sleeping pills can get me to sleep, but I am fully aware that there is some damage that comes with it.

I have a very high tolerance for most things. Since my surgery my metabolism is horrible, and if I drink and sleep I most likely wake up buzzed, or severely hung over. Which again isn't good. I have yet to find a way to do one or the other.

I hate the taste of both liquor and beer, but my brain reminds me that this is the way to get some real sleep. I have been fighting it as much as I can, but it is difficult, in order for me to stop one, I have to do to much of the other.

I have a friend that has been drinking heavily for many years, and when he tried to go cold turkey he had a stroke, that left half of his face paralyzed. When he started drinking again he got better.

I would hate to think that this is how the withdrawal would be for many that are only trying to make their lives better.

I see nothing wrong with having a few, or even getting tipsy, but to have it used or prescribed to yourself in order to compensate for something else cant be good.

I will look into this, and post what I can.

Peace, NRE.


reply posted on 17-1-2012 @ 12:14 AM by mainidh
Originally posted by baddmove
I just started to cut down also..

I am tired of the abuse i am doing to my body..

been drinking beer for years now..

I have Valerian root in my house..

should i try it too...

scared here..

can't sleep since i cut back on the beer consumption..

was doing 13-15 beers a night..

now i am down to a 6 pack..

but i keep waking up at 2 am...

tired....


Valarian root is basically what is in the capsules. You can steep 1-2 teaspoons in hot water for a few minutes, but beware, it stinks like rotten socks and might need some honey to help sip it.

It does have a swift tolerance, I was taking these tablets called Swiss Sleep, or something similar, and they contained mostly valarian, and the first night I took way more than it said to, but only because I know from previous use it takes a lot to knock me down to a sedate state of mind... and the first night I slept like a log.

Since then, the price of $30 a bottle of 60 was not worth it.

Passiflora is another plant that can help ease the mind, but usually you get the lot with otc or store bought herbal sleep aids.

Just stay away from anti-histamine based ones. horrible. I wish tptb would stop legislating against herbs, I cant even import many from interstate as they are considered bad or problematic by the quarantine authority in my state. They want you on expensive and prescription medications, tied to a tether that keeps you at their door.



reply posted on 17-1-2012 @ 07:21 AM by tinker9917
reply to post by miniatus



She is also taking the B vitamins, but I think I will suggest the milk thistle and dandelion to her.
Thank you!


reply posted on 17-1-2012 @ 12:51 PM by kimish
Originally posted by tinker9917
reply to
post by miniatus



She is also taking the B vitamins, but I think I will suggest the milk thistle and dandelion to her.
Thank you!


Make sure she gets the sublingual B vitamins or a shot from her doc. I say this because the stomach and liver degrade a ton of the vitamins once it is swallowed so to get the best benefit sublingual is better. The shot is best.


reply posted on 17-1-2012 @ 03:10 PM by ValentineWiggin
Wotan: I'd like to see a source for Amy Winehouse dying of detox.

OP

Valerian is fantastic! I've had a few friends kick a few different addictions with the help of Valerian.

Let's say she is put in a detox center, chances are they are going to medicate her with -something else- to get her through it. Let me tell you, -something else- withdrawal is no joke. Not only that but they mimic the effects of alcohol -very- well. If the detox gets out of your control, take her to the ER and explain. It can take a while to get a bed in a detox center, but if she is having seizures then it's ER time. They can keep her/treat her until a bed comes open, if that even happens. I have known many alcoholics kick this beast on their own, it's totally possible.

That being said, Valerian is rarely tied to liver damage over the long term. The connection here is uncertain, but after this is all said and done she would be well advised to get a liver panel run just to make sure everything is functioning as it should be.

Rarely, liver damage has been linked to valerian, although it is uncertain whether valerian, contaminants, or other herbs caused the damage. Those who take valerian should tell their doctors so that their liver function can be monitored

More about that here

The real kicker for her is going to be after this detox is over. Unlike other substances which you have to procure from shady sources, alcohol is everywhere. It's legal. Every time she walks in a grocery store or pays for her gas, she will be tempted.

The other thing is that after you kick an addiction, the reasons that you started with it in the first place start to emerge. Whatever it is that she has been covering up or dulling with drinking is going to be there staring her in the face. This can be really upsetting ESPECIALLY when one's body and brain is trying to recover from what she has been putting it through. I can't say enough great things about Alcoholics Anonymous to do them any justice.

If AA is not her bag, Rational Recovery is a little more private and a little less "cultish" Rational Recovery depending on where she lives there might be meetings, but they have significantly less meetings than Alcoholics Anonymous so that might be her only option. Chances are her circle of friends revolved around a favorite drinking hole, and they enabled her. In order to build a sober group of friends, the meetings are the best way. She doesn't have to buy in to anything they say, she doesn't even have to talk, but being there will help her tremendously.

You are absolutely incredible for helping her with this. Stay strong, going to her first meeting with her would be really helpful.

Hope this helps...

One day at a time.
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