X-37B spaceplane 'spying on China', page 2
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reply posted on 5-1-2012 @ 02:55 PM by pause4thought
reply to post by alfa1



In any case, a few minutes checking shows the whole story to be bogus... Apart from an approximate agreement in orbital inclination, the two can hardly be described as "nearly identical".

The conclusion is not proven, but the evidence is sufficient for the editor of Spaceflight:

"Space-to-space surveillance is a whole new ball game made possible by a finessed group of sensors and sensor suites, which we think the X-37B may be using to maintain a close watch on China's nascent space station," said Spaceflight editor Dr David Baker...

..."The parallels with X-37B are clear," Dr Baker says in Spaceflight, the long established magazine of the British Interplanetary Society.

"With a period differential of about 19 seconds, the two vehicles will migrate toward or against each other, converging or diverging, roughly every 170 orbits."

Consequently your reference to the relative positions of the two craft, while thoughtful, appears to have led you to an overly hasty conclusion. And apart from the professional analysis referred to, there is no doubting the motive.



reply to post by zorgon



X37B can change orbits at will though I doubt it is spying on China's platform. We have better satellites for that

The contention is that new surveillance technology is being tested/used beyond the capabilities of what has gone before. Even NASA admits to that much (—just refusing to say for what purpose).


reply posted on 5-1-2012 @ 04:45 PM by Aloysius the Gaul
Originally posted by pause4thought
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post by Aloysius the Gaul



The OP has made no reference to that fictional plane whatsoever.



Sorry - the person who posted the original pic of the plane (or tried to) - not the OP of the thread - my mistake in terminology


reply posted on 5-1-2012 @ 05:37 PM by Xcathdra
Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul


Yeah -
Stealth was a good movie, and the F/A-37 Talon looks cool.

I'm not sure if the OP was serious or not thinking that plane is real tho - you never know around here!
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Snopes - FA-37 - False
Looks like the "pentagon source" pulled his pictures from the movie / snopes.com as well.


reply posted on 5-1-2012 @ 06:13 PM by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by princeofpeace



Yeah I saw it...and the point of you highlighting it is what?

2nd


reply posted on 5-1-2012 @ 09:54 PM by SevenThunders
Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
Originally posted by SevenThunders
Originally posted by pause4thought

Sorry, I don't think I was clear enough. What I meant was why does the US appear to put ever greater emphasis on military solutions rather than engaging in substantive diplomatic discussions over perceived threats to its interests?



Maybe it's because the murderous leaders of China have already stated their goal of colonizing North America and slaughtering the current inhabitants.


I completely missed that - where is that stated??

OTOH I think the correct answer is because the US political system is itself conflict ridden and combative, that they simply are not trained to think in diplomatic terms - European diplomacy, for all it's screw ups, has the example of 500 years of internecine warfare behind it giving all sorts of examples of how to, and how not to, conduct diplomacy.

The USA needs many more wasteful, expensive and pointless wars before it learns the same lessons.

edit on 5-1-2012 by Aloysius the Gaul because: (no reason given)


The US government is run by traitors who take their orders from the city of London Inc. (Not to be confused with London itself in Great Britain.)

The link to the actualy quoted speech from the Chinese premier is more difficult to find. I think they are scrubbing it from the internet. Still there are remnants.

www.thehighroad.org...
www.eutimes.net...

The colonization process is going forward with the full cooporation with our traitors in government.


reply posted on 5-1-2012 @ 10:31 PM by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by SevenThunders



The existence of the speech is, at least, disputed - theglitteringeye.com...

www.physicsforums.com...

I had no trouble at all finding the whole text of the supposed speech that you say is being removed from the internet - a google search for "chi haotian speech 2005" gives 101,000 results!

Sadly typical of the more interesting claims on ATS

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reply posted on 5-1-2012 @ 11:35 PM by SevenThunders
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul



It used to display prominently with more direct search like. China to Colonize America. You may dispute the source but actions speak louder than words. The Chinese are already here and their troops have been seen in Mexico and will probably shortly be found in their colonies in the US itself.

In fact China has been granted unprecedented control of port facilities in the US for the purpose of exporting their trinkets. This control is unprecedented and I don't doubt that the Chinese military is heavily entrenched in these areas. But Americans are asleep while our leaders continue their betrayal.

freedomleadershipconference.org...


reply posted on 6-1-2012 @ 02:52 AM by MConnalley
Originally posted by pause4thought
reply to
post by TheMindWar



That's war-mongering if ever I heard it. (You seem to live up to your screen name.)

Whatever happened to diplomacy?..



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what is there to talk about, fire some lasers or a compressed gas cartridge that releases it contents into the vehicle and subdues the occupants, then its Pirate time, raid the capsule.



reply posted on 7-1-2012 @ 04:14 AM by zorgon
reply to post by JimOberg


Nice debunk Jim... (and self promo )

Hey what does an article like that pay these days?
I been thinking I might try a few myself


reply posted on 7-1-2012 @ 11:24 AM by pause4thought
Originally posted by SevenThunders
Originally posted by pause4thought

Sorry, I don't think I was clear enough. What I meant was why does the US appear to put ever greater emphasis on military solutions rather than engaging in substantive diplomatic discussions over perceived threats to its interests? No-one can deny China is investing very heavily in its military and seeking to expand its sphere of influence. But this type of intensive spying operation could easily be perceived as provocative, as you suggest, leading to an ever greater deterioration in relations.

You could argue its good for the economy and it keeps 'the hawks' happy. But is this what the American people want to see — war-mongering as a response to the expansion of a new super-power?



Maybe it's because the murderous leaders of China have already stated their goal of colonizing North America and slaughtering the current inhabitants.

A better question is why do liberals love tyrants and human rights abusing communist nations?


Your 1st error: Implying that a preference for diplomacy over and against militarism = a love for tyrants & human rights abuses.

You completely fail to comprehend that in preferring military responses you effectively advocate the megalomaniac violent intent of the industrial military complex. So much for human rights. —Try asking hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis / Afghans, not to mention the thousands of dead US soldiers, about their human rights.

Your 2nd error: Equating diplomacy with a weak or ineffective response.

Your 3rd error: Equating a distaste for militarism with 'liberalism'. That, I'm afraid, is a somewhat patronizing attempt to denigrate anyone who questions the legitimacy, or even the correctness of military responses to international tensions.

This guy puts it better than I ever could:




(Video taken from this OP.)


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