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New York governor urges mandatory DNA samples

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posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 11:27 AM
I see Breitbart once again stopped just short of telling the truth.

Mandatory DNA testing of criminal suspects who HAVE NOT BEEN CONVICTED of any crime was begun in 2005, with H.R.3402 Authorization bill FY2006-FY2009, Department of Justice, also called the "DNA Fingerprint Act of 2005".

Sponsor: Rep. James Sensenbrenner [R-WI]
Signed: George W. Bush

This allowed any prison/jail to take DNA from anyone who passed their gates, whether convicted of a crime or not. It was the precedent that allowed California to also pass their version of a mandatory DNA sampling bill in 2009. California: Police can forcibly take DNA samples during arrests, judge rules (the judge in that case was another Bush appointee).

This was another example of those impositions on our civil rights by the post-9/11 Bush Administration and Justice Department, and no one dared question it because "terrorists hate us for our freedoms". With the precedents set, it wont be much longer before every state begins adopting this tactic of extracting DNA from anyone who comes into contact with police. It wont be long before the police are jamming a cotton swab in your mouth the next time you get stopped for a traffic violation.

posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 11:40 AM
reply to post by Blackmarketeer

I just wanted to reiterate the last part you stated because it's so important.

no one dared question it because "terrorists hate us for our freedoms". With the precedents set, it wont be much longer before every state begins adopting this tactic of extracting DNA from anyone who comes into contact with police. It wont be long before the police are jamming a cotton swab in your mouth the next time you get stopped for a traffic violation.

posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 11:55 AM
reply to post by Afterthought

That's one of my biggest pet-peeves with right wingers like Breitbart. He only blames the Democrats and is blind to the transgressions of his own party. This recent case of 'mandatory DNA sampling' is based on those precedents set before it. Where was Breitbart when GW Bush and the 107th, 108th, and 109th Congress were shredding the constitution and imposing on our civil liberties, all in the name of a holy war on 'terrorism'? The Department of Justice, like the Executive branch, milked 9/11 for all it was worth, and the acts they passed then set the precedents for civil-liberty-stealing acts of today and tomorrow. Want to blame Obama for NDAA? NDAA was the next logical step after the USA Patriot Act.

posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 12:05 PM
damn it s of a are always behind these shady ideas....Jesus....killed UseNet with bs kidi porn allegations.....they found 88 out of ALL users and said it was infected with wild and rampant kidi porn....

this guy is a snake.....lil Giuliani.....ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 12:56 PM
just marking for later

posted on Jan, 5 2012 @ 03:49 PM
Maybe some Annunaki reptilians ordered so !
They are looking for something , right?

posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 03:53 AM
reply to post by Afterthought

ive never understood the problem with this, with a DNA database they could solve crimes a lot quicker.
what 'evil' things could they possibly do with someones DNA, i dont understand why people think its a bad idea, unless theyve got something to hide.

but like i said, 'i cant think of any evil things could they possibly do with someones DNA', so enlighten me pleases ATSers.

posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 07:27 AM

"Proposed DNA bank could ensnare NY graffiti artists"

ALBANY, New York (Reuters) - Fortune-tellers beware: palm-reading could land you in New York state's criminal DNA database.

Convicted graffiti artists, subway turnstile-jumpers and anybody who writes a bad check could also end up with their genetic information permanently on file under a proposal by Governor Andrew Cuomo.

The Democrat on Wednesday proposed expanding the database, which was created in 1996 and collects DNA samples from people convicted of felonies and some serious misdemeanors. Cuomo wants it to include anyone convicted of a crime under the state's Penal Law.

If the measure passes, New York would have the most expansive DNA database in the country.

For years, supporters have said a larger DNA bank would help lock up criminals and exonerate innocent people.

"DNA is the state of the art, and it's a sword that cuts both ways," said Sen. Stephen Saland, a Republican who last year sponsored a bill to expand the database.

According to the state Division of Criminal Justice Services, the database holds more than 445,000 DNA samples and has aided in more than 13,000 investigations.

Misdemeanors excluded from the database include "numerous crimes that are often precursors to violent offenses," Cuomo said Wednesday in his annual State of the State Address. Under current law, 46 percent of convicts are required to submit their DNA.

Critics including civil rights groups and state legislators say policymakers have been blinded by "the CSI effect," as it is called by Robert Perry, legislative director for the New York Civil Liberties Union.

He said people falsely believe DNA technology is infallible, due in part to its depiction in movies and television shows such as the popular CBS series "CSI," short for crime scene investigator.

"To have your sample included in the database means you're under surveillance 24/7," Perry said. "If your DNA ends up matching DNA at a crime scene, you now become subject to criminal suspicion, but there are plenty of innocent reasons for folks' DNA to turn up at a crime scene."

DNA evidence is given great weight by police investigators and prosecutors, Perry said, meaning they may often overlook traditional police work that points to a different suspect.

Lawmakers who support the expansion had little sympathy for New York's fortune-tellers and graffiti artists.

"Regardless of the nature of the crime," said Assemblyman Joseph Lentol, a Democrat who has pushed for years to reform the way the database is used, "sometimes you will get a hit that solves a really heinous crime."

So, now even being a fortune teller is considered a misdemeanor? There's an entire town in Florida where only supposed psychics and fortune tellers live. I guess if they were in NY, they'd all be arrested and their DNA taken? Maybe if you're a real psychic, you have different DNA?

Where DNA has solved crimes, I still feel that this is an invasion of privacy and it's not infallible as stated in the article. I think the way they collect and use it today is just fine. If someone's a suspect, you take them in, swab their cheek, question them a bit, tell them not to leave town, and await the results. I guess this is too time consuming.

At least with this article, we are now seeing the full extent of who this is going to affect. I'm guessing that several graffiti artists are under the age of 18, so should I assume that they will also have their DNA taken and registered?

Not to mention the scariest sentence in the article: "To have your sample included in the database means you're under surveillance 24/7." Wrong. Just plain wrong. Police certainly have better things to do, so will these folks have an unmanned drone following them? The cameras will be programmed to alert the viewer that a DNA registered person just entered the city park?

In my opinion, this is going way too far. Here we are in a society that claims that prison rehabilitates, but this system is clearly set up under the idea that people don't change and are always and forever capable of committing a more heinous crime. After all, we all know that graffiti artists grow up to be arsonists and murderers, right?

posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 08:23 AM

Originally posted by boymonkey74
They do this in the UK but only if you are charged and then if you not convicted of any crime the police must destroy the samples.
I am not sure about it tbh, yes it can help catch people who do lots of crime but my question is how easy would it be to stitch someone up with dna evidence?

DNA samples from arrested citizens forcibly taken by police in England and Wales are kept permanently, even if there are no charges brought.
Please follow link for more info:

Since April 2004, the police in England and Wales have been able to take DNA samples without consent from anyone arrested on suspicion of any recordable offence. The law in Northern Ireland is the same but has not yet been fully implemented. Recordable offences include begging, being drunk and disorderly and taking part in an illegal demonstration. Both DNA profiles (the string of numbers used for identification purposes) and DNA samples (which contain unlimited genetic information), are kept permanently, even if the person arrested is never charged or is acquitted. A massive expansion in the number of individuals on the Database has not led to any noticable increase in the likelihood of identifying a suspect. GeneWatch believes the current practices are wrong and has a number of concerns about the governance of the database.

It is a way to seize the DNA of innocent citizens as well as that of the convicted.

American citizens will end up being forced to comply just as we are in England and Wales.

Also this:

The scientists fabricated blood and saliva samples containing DNA from a person other than the donor of the blood and saliva. They also showed that if they had access to a DNA profile in a database, they could construct a sample of DNA to match that profile without obtaining any tissue from that person.
“You can just engineer a crime scene,” said Dan Frumkin, lead author of the paper, which has been published online by the journal Forensic Science International: Genetics. “Any biology undergraduate could perform this.”

This is alarming considering how many bent cops there are around, not to mention that our corrupt governments and agencies will most definately use something like this to their own advantage. They probably already are.
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posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 10:12 AM
Not sure I really understand all the paranoia about this.

Are you afraid they are going to clone you or something?

Just because they have your DNA profile does not mean they can plant your DNA at a crime scene.

"Your honor, we know Mr. X is guilty....he left this cotton swab of his at the crime scene" (just sounds a bit off)

posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 10:21 AM
New york to me is like a planet in another solar system, i have no reason or a way to go there if i ever thought about it

Good for you new york, hope you drowned in your own DNA

posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 10:38 AM

Originally posted by vogon42

Just because they have your DNA profile does not mean they can plant your DNA at a crime scene.

According to this they can:

The scientists fabricated DNA samples two ways. One required a real, if tiny, DNA sample, perhaps from a strand of hair or drinking cup. They amplified the tiny sample into a large quantity of DNA using a standard technique called whole genome amplification.

Of course, a drinking cup or piece of hair might itself be left at a crime scene to frame someone, but blood or saliva may be more believable.

The authors of the paper took blood from a woman and centrifuged it to remove the white cells, which contain DNA. To the remaining red cells they added DNA that had been amplified from a man’s hair.

Since red cells do not contain DNA, all of the genetic material in the blood sample was from the man. The authors sent it to a leading American forensics laboratory, which analyzed it as if it were a normal sample of a man’s blood.

From a pooled sample of many people’s DNA, the scientists cloned tiny DNA snippets representing the common variants at each spot, creating a library of such snippets. To prepare a DNA sample matching any profile, they just mixed the proper snippets together. They said that a library of 425 different DNA snippets would be enough to cover every conceivable profile.

This is saying fabricated DNA can be planted and used to frame anyone for anything, and this type of evidence is relied upon to prove absolute guilt and secure convictions. It's worrying.

posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 10:42 AM
reply to post by vogon42

So, it doesn't freak you out that you could be watched 24/7 if you committed a misdemeanor offense?

I was caught a few years ago driving on an expired license. I was completely unaware it had expired four months prior to the cop pulling me over. This is a serious crime in the eyes of the law and he threatened to arrest me and take me to jail. What if he had and this led to my DNA having to be taken and added to their data base? I wouldn't be comfortable knowing that I could be watched 24/7 for committing a victimless crime.

posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 10:48 AM
reply to post by doobydoll

I stand corrected.
Thank you for educating me. Star for you.

I'm wondering if I should consider investing in Nucleix’s stock.

posted on Jan, 6 2012 @ 10:52 AM
'I will propose a bill requiring the collection of a DNA sample from any person convicted of a felony or Penal Law misdemeanor'

Sounds good to me.

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