Ken Johnston Lunar Cover-Up on Coast-2-Coast 12/25

Lunar Cover-Up
Date: 12-25-11
Host: George Knapp
Guests: Ken Johnston

Ken Johnston, who worked for NASA's Lunar Receiving Laboratory during the Apollo missions, says he was fired for telling the truth. He joins George Knapp to share his contention that NASA knows astronauts discovered ancient alien cities, and the remains of amazingly advanced machinery on the Moon.

The reason why I started this thread is twofold. One, I think it'll be an interesting talk especially because Knapp is at the helm and two: because I want to hear why some of you believe Richard Hoagland is holding back information on purpose but yet NASA is 'allowing' Johnston to talk so readily.

Why would Hoagland, (who is supposedly STILL employed by NASA according to some of you) deliberately not tell us all he knows and yet Johnston can?

Here's the thread that has me scratching my head in confusion.
Richard Hoagland - I'm calling you out!,
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Because unless I am missing something fundamentally important and relevant to the accusation, I simply don't understand what people are saying about Hoagland not being forthcoming.

Johnston gives a lot of credence to many people particularly Gary McKinnon and Dr Carol Rosin.

Originally posted by Human_Alien
Johnston gives a lot of credence to many people particularly Gary McKinnon and Dr Carol Rosin.

I expect Jim Oberg to be along shortly to set you straight on Mr Johnston

Gary McKinnon is a buffoon who gave us nothing and is still on the loose and its too bad C2C is mixing Dr Carol Rosin with these two

I think it's important for all of us to at least consider what ALL these people are claiming. You don't have to totally buy into it but I think we owe it to ourselves to at least consider these claims.

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by Human_Alien
Johnston gives a lot of credence to many people particularly Gary McKinnon and Dr Carol Rosin.

I expect Jim Oberg to be along shortly to set you straight on Mr Johnston

Gary McKinnon is a buffoon who gave us nothing and is still on the loose and its too bad C2C is mixing Dr Carol Rosin with these two

C2C isn't mixing in those two people. I was.

Gary McKinnon is a buffoon? Really? Pretty clever buffoon that our government had a lot of energy on. Didn't know our government was interested in clowns.

Oberg is part of the skeptic committee. Every forum has one or two. He's more than welcome on any of my threads to 'correct' my opinions!

Originally posted by Human_Alien
I think it's important for all of us to at least consider what ALL these people are claiming.

But that is the problem... ALL those people are telling different stories and some even arguing with each other. Some , like Edgar Fouche with his TR3_B goes out of his way to bash the others, and Greer made a mockery out of it all and went for the money

Gary McKinnon tells us he saw some stuff on 'non terrestrial officers' and ships... indicating Earth people in space positions... NOT aliens... but by his own admission he got nothing to show for it... too dumb to even check his internet cache that stores everything you viewed that day

As to the names of the officers... just see my Naval Space Command thread

Carol I can support because she did have real traceable connections with Wernher von Braun...

But all the whistle blowers these days have caught UFO disease

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Okay, I think I understand you a bit better now. Thanks

I base most of my opinions on: evidence, deliverance (vocally speaking), body language and overall vibe. Because being an Experiencer I realize we live in a much greater and far more complex reality which, exceeds our 3D and 5-senses limitations.

I have personally come to embrace the saying: The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. We just have to look deeper for the truth.

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by Human_Alien
Johnston gives a lot of credence to many people particularly Gary McKinnon and Dr Carol Rosin.

I expect Jim Oberg to be along shortly to set you straight on Mr Johnston

Gary McKinnon is a buffoon who gave us nothing and is still on the loose and its too bad C2C is mixing Dr Carol Rosin with these two

Hold on Zorgon,
If Gary McKinnon is a buffoon, why is the US fighting tooth and nail to get hold of him. That does not gel since, if he is a buffoon, then the US is participating in the buffoonery, by default then, the US authorities are also buffoons. No, they don't want him just for what he did, they want him for what he is saying he found, I'll even let you throw UFO's out of the window, but free energy secrets that he has spoken about, (even though it is mentioned in UFO vein) now that would hurt.

I get the impressiom that the UK courts will not let this extradition take place......
The brits are POd that the US has not been forthcomming with information sharing in the past maybe?
The longer they stall this the less chance it will succeed in snaring McKinnon.
I had serious hopes there was much more to the breach, but he doesnt seem to have found out a whole helluva lot really....inuendo is all......

Originally posted by smurfy
Hold on Zorgon,
If Gary McKinnon is a buffoon, why is the US fighting tooth and nail to get hold of him.

Ummm really? He did his crime in 2001, 10 years ago, and he is still on the loose living in the UK... Seriously if they wanted him so bad you think they couldn't have got him by now? Gitmo is full of people that got a free vacation

That does not gel since, if he is a buffoon, then the US is participating in the buffoonery, by default then, the US authorities are also buffoons.

Ummm yeah... now you got it Its all a big show... I bet that 90% of UFO stuff is a CIA psyops operation

Now don't get me wrong my official position is 80%ish are plasma life forms, 15%ish are black ops craft and 5%ish are the true visitors.. and that is AFTER eliminating the rocket launches, balloons, toys and other obvious mis-identifications

But DTIC (Defense Technical Information Center) has many documents backing up the CIA hypothesis

Just type in UFO CIA into search
dsearch.dtic.mil...

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No, they don't want him just for what he did, they want him for what he is saying he found, I'll even let you throw UFO's out of the window, but free energy secrets that he has spoken about, (even though it is mentioned in UFO vein) now that would hurt.

"Free energy" is a red herring... but I have such a device I call it a "wood burning stove" it uses wood that my three trees provide. But still requires work

Tesla had wireless energy ideas, but someone had to build the transmission towers and the generators... and someone has to build and service the receivers and devices that use that power. Who will pay for that? You think free energy means you can just plug your house into it?

Electricity is free energy... its created by water flowing downhill and spinning a wheel... but the collectors need to be built. Its not the energy you pay for but the delivery to you in useful form

Solar energy is free and abundant out here in the desert... so you can take a mirror and cook your food... but you can't plug in your computer.

And the usual term 'free energy' refers to over unity, getting something from nothing... all well and good but you still have to collect it convert it and make devices that can use it... all that is NOT free and no one will make them for free

so... free energy is a red herring But at least I don't have heating bills

McKinnon is not a buffon;he was curious and wanted to KNOW....like all of us do,I think...and it put him in a very difficult position....he has my respect!

Originally posted by stirling
but he doesnt seem to have found out a whole helluva lot really....inuendo is all......

What everyone is forgetting here... in his own words... all he did was find windows terminals that had open passwords... he DID NOT hack into the secret nets like NiPRNET, SiPRNET or JWICS.

All he could have possibly seen is something that some employee may have had on his terminal that he shouldn't have or he saw something he misinterpreted... considering he told us he was so high at the time he really didn't know what he was doing

I am willing to bet a LOT of internal discipline happened as a result of his snooping

I mean maybe he saw this NASA picture on an ISS computer



But that picture is merely a screen saver

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????

Maybe?....."Maybe" he saw? What are you talking about? Are you just making stuff up as you go?
So you're saying "maybe" he saw a photo of a UFO but it was actually a screensaver?

Now Zorgon my friend? sounds like you've cornered the market on buffoonery today!

Originally posted by silversurfer6161
McKinnon is not a buffon;he was curious and wanted to KNOW....like all of us do,I think...and it put him in a very difficult position....he has my respect!

Well he was a buffoon because he was snooping around government computers without thinking about covering his butt, smoking weed at the same time and not screen capturing, saving, remembering anything. Also every comp stores what you viewed on the net in temp internet cache on your computer so if he saw it on the screen it would be in the cache..

Yet we have nothing That makes him a buffoon in my books and worse than that, it makes it harder for the rest of us to get any information because 'they' slam doors shut and watch more carefully

Besides I can get more info on those 'non-terrestrial officers' from the front door

Beginning in the mid-1980s, concurrent with the development of space operations and space engineering curricula at the Naval Postgraduate School, the Navy began “coding” officers as space subspecialists. As space subspecialty codes were then assigned to particular officers’ billets on numbered Fleet staffs and at commands ashore, the service began assigning Navy members with matching codes to those positions. More recently, the Navy has begun efforts to build a cadre of “space smart” officers, enlisted personnel and civilian employees.

The Naval Space Cadre is composed of active-duty and reserve Navy and Marine Corps officers and enlisted personnel, along with Navy civilian employees from a wide range of career fields who meet mandatory education, training and experience standards established for a particular certification level. The Navy Space Cadre is a distinct body of expertise horizontally and vertically integrated within Navy and Marine Corps active duty, reserves and civilian employee communities organized to operationalize space

Initial identification of the cadre began in mid-2001 with the standup of the Naval Space Cadre Working Group and culminated in a naval message (NAVADMIN 201/03 DTG211435Z JUL 03) announcing the first 700 officer members of the cadre. These officers were identified by the subspecialty codes of 6206, Space Systems Operations, and 5500, Space Systems Engineering or by the additional qualification designator of VS1, VS2, VS3 or VS4. Identification of enlisted and civilian cadre members is more challenging, as these groups do not have specific space identifiers like the officers do.

Approximately 265 billets are currently identified as space billets. These jobs are in Navy, joint and National Security Space organizations. Space cadre members are currently assigned throughout the National Security Space arena, including the National Reconnaissance Office, National Security Space Architect, National Security Space Integration, MILSATCOM Joint Program Office, as well as in all Navy organizations that deal with space.

SOURCE: Air Force Space Command (You can order hard copies)
High Frontier Magazine
The Journal for Space and Missile Professionals
Summer 2004

Originally posted by Human_Alien
Maybe?....."Maybe" he saw? What are you talking about?

From, Gary himself in the first interview...

Gary says he doesn't know.

"What was the most exciting thing you saw?" I ask.

"I found a list of officers' names," he claims, "under the heading 'Non-Terrestrial Officers'."

"Non-Terrestrial Officers?" I say.

"Yeah, I looked it up," says Gary, "and it's nowhere. It doesn't mean little green men. What I think it means is not earth-based. I found a list of 'fleet-to-fleet transfers', and a list of ship names. I looked them up. They weren't US navy ships. What I saw made me believe they have some kind of spaceship, off-planet."

"The Americans have a secret spaceship?" I ask.

"That's what this trickle of evidence has led me to believe."

"Some kind of other Mir that nobody knows about?"

"I guess so," says Gary.

"What were the ship names?"

"I can't remember," says Gary. "I was smoking a lot of dope at the time. Not good for the intellect."

www.guardian.co.uk...

That about covers it in my books

"I can't remember," says Gary. "I was smoking a lot of dope at the time. Not good for the intellect."

Originally posted by Human_Alien
Now Zorgon my friend? sounds like you've cornered the market on buffoonery today!

As to the OP subject Ken Johnston...

There was a press release that came out when Ken and Hoagland released the book "Dark Mission" We actually pushed that book a bit in this thread

NASA Scientist Fired - Promises Disclosure
www.abovetopsecret.com...

That thread had John and Clark McClelland in it as well as Oberg.. was a great ride... you really need to read that one if your interested in the Ken Johnston saga

Hoagland sold a lot of books because of that thread yet even John couldn't get a free autographed copy If you want the skinny on Ken Johnston I suggest you read that thread because Jim tracked down all the documents...

And the photos Ken claimed to have... turns out they were all destroyed...odd that eh?

UFOlogy today is 99% buffoonery and frauds... so much so I am seriously thinking its time to go back to my Crown, sharpen the swords and clean the rust off the armor... at least THAT is reality

reply to post by zorgon


Just stop Zorgon. I know you don't care for McKinnon but he CLEARLY has said over and over again he saw UFO photos and read up about free energy that we supposedly have, from a computer that was on a NASA server.

Now, does that make him an automatic honest person? Of course not. But the fact that NASA wanted him so bad really helps validates his claims.

Please make your own thread about Gary if you don't have one already.

Thanks!

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The guy that interviewed him (on video) is currently the presenter of 'Click' the BBC's news 24's technology programme. His last words in the interview included, "It has been interesting talking to you" do you think then, that he was just being polite? I do agree though that the insecure computers had 'stuff' on them that shouldn't be there, and that really makes the case for McKinnon, he was looking at what amounts to adverts.

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My theory on Gary McKinnon.

He found what he was looking fo
He got caught
Like anyone who gets caught red handed they get rid of the evidence
He deleted everything he had kept on his PC but denies he had it in the first place.

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Yes I agree,I think he would have made/printed copies left at various places.

Or he was threatened with his life if he revealed anything.

Originally posted by Human_Alien
Please make your own thread about Gary if you don't have one already.

Several actually but isn't this thread about Ken Johnston?

I did him too as already linked

Be nice though JUST ONCE to have someone come up with the goods, wouldn't it? I am getting tired of excuse like Ken making a National Press Club release to reveal unseen NASA pictures... then when we ask to see the picture turns out they were destroyed...

Wouldn't you check that you had them before making a statement? Hmmm well at least Hoagland got his book to the best seller level at $56.00 a pop

And "We the People..." end up with egg on face again

Sure I'll stop picking on Gary... I will leave him to the hacker worshipers who are satisfied with a story rather than any hard evidence...

Good luck with that