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His analysis included 18 government deals that included loans, rebates, grants and tax credits. The amount of government assistance does not include the fact that General Motors is currently 26 percent owned by the federal government.
The analysis includes adding up the amount of government subsidies via tax credits and direct funding for not only General Motors, but other companies supplying parts for the vehicle. For example, the Department of Energy awarded a $105.9 million grant to the GM Brownstown plant that assembles the batteries. The company was also awarded approximately $106 million for its Hamtramck assembly plant in state credits to retain jobs. The company that supplies the Volt’s batteries, Compact Power, was awarded up to $100 million in refundable battery credits (combination tax breaks and cash subsidies). These are among many of the subsidies and tax credits for the vehicle.
“It just goes to show there are certain folks that will spend anything to get their vision of what people should do,” said State Representative Tom McMillin, R-Rochester Hills. “It’s a glaring example of the failure of central planning trying to force citizens to purchase something they may not want. … They should let the free market make those decisions.”
The investments provide [sic] by several different Administrations and Congresses to jump-start the country's fledgling battery technology and domestic electric vehicle industries (not just specifically for the Volt as Ford's offering will also use LG Chem batteries and Fisker will use the A123 system for example) matches the same foresight and innovation [sic] leadership that other countries are exhibiting and which America has historically taken pride in."
According to GM CEO Dan Akerson, the average Volt owner makes $170,000 per year.
"This is a matter of simple math," said Hohman. "I added the known state and federal incentives that have been offered and divided by the number of Volts sold. If GM has additional information to add to the public data on the use of taxpayer money, I look forward to seeing it."
Originally posted by jdub297
reply to post by Rockpuck
I never really had a favorite automaker, but after the Obama takeover, I'll NEVER buy another GM vehicle.
Ever.
jw
On June 1, the Obama administration announced a plan that will "provide approximately $30.1 billion of financing to support GM through an expedited chapter 11 proceeding." Bloomberg News reported on June 1 that "efore declaring bankruptcy, GM received $20.57 billion in U.S. Treasury loans, according to the court filing today. Administration officials said yesterday the government would advance $30 billion more, with another $9.5 billion from the Canadian government." Among the $20 billion of existing loans are funds that were authorized by the Bush administration, a fact ignored by Politico. On December 19, 2008, Bush announced that GM would receive $13.4 billion in loans from the Troubled Asset Relief Program fund and gave GM and Chrysler until March 31 to demonstrate viability or repay the loans. The Wall Street Journal reported on December 20, 2008:
Originally posted by Connector
The bailout started with Bush......
mediamatters
On June 1, the Obama administration announced a plan that will "provide approximately $30.1 billion of financing to support GM through an expedited chapter 11 proceeding." Bloomberg News reported on June 1 that "efore declaring bankruptcy, GM received $20.57 billion in U.S. Treasury loans, according to the court filing today. Administration officials said yesterday the government would advance $30 billion more, with another $9.5 billion from the Canadian government." Among the $20 billion of existing loans are funds that were authorized by the Bush administration, a fact ignored by Politico. On December 19, 2008, Bush announced that GM would receive $13.4 billion in loans from the Troubled Asset Relief Program fund and gave GM and Chrysler until March 31 to demonstrate viability or repay the loans. The Wall Street Journal reported on December 20, 2008:
Originally posted by Rockpuck>snip<
The Volt gets roughly the same MPG as my little Scion (35) the volt (37) The difference in cost: about $24,000 (Chevy Volt roughly $40,000)
>snip<
Originally posted by peck420
That analysis is misleading.
Almost everything on the list pertain to multiple GM vehicles, not just the Volt.
Ie: The plant that makes the batteries...the same batteries that are used in every GM (and GM family) hybrid.
Whoops.
The packs in the Volt are being manufactured at the Brownstown Battery Pack Assembly Plant in Brownstown Township outside Detroit. General Motors spent $43 million and five months retooling the plant. It sits on a 375-acre site in an industrial park near two airports, where the lithium-ion cells would arrive from Korea. The cells will be assembled into the 400-pound T-shaped pack that will power the Volt, then sent up Interstate 75 to the Detroit-Hamtramck Assembly Plant where the range-extended electric car will be built.
The first packs are being built to make sure the manufacturing equipment is set up correctly. Once finished, they’ll be used for testing. Production of packs for cars we’ll see in showrooms will begin this spring.
General Motors is investing $700 million in eight factories throughout Michigan that will contribute components to the Volt and assemble the car. . Chu, who attended the opening at Brownstown, said 99 percent of batteries currently used in hybrids are manufactured in Japan.
Originally posted by jdub297...
The GM hybrid's battery pack sits under a seat. These don't.
Originally posted by jdub297
Originally posted by Connector
The bailout started with Bush......
mediamatters
On June 1, the Obama administration announced a plan that will "provide approximately $30.1 billion of financing to support GM through an expedited chapter 11 proceeding." Bloomberg News reported on June 1 that "efore declaring bankruptcy, GM received $20.57 billion in U.S. Treasury loans, according to the court filing today. Administration officials said yesterday the government would advance $30 billion more, with another $9.5 billion from the Canadian government." Among the $20 billion of existing loans are funds that were authorized by the Bush administration, a fact ignored by Politico. On December 19, 2008, Bush announced that GM would receive $13.4 billion in loans from the Troubled Asset Relief Program fund and gave GM and Chrysler until March 31 to demonstrate viability or repay the loans. The Wall Street Journal reported on December 20, 2008:
Do you know the difference between a loan and a bailout?
Obama took advantage of the financial weakness of some of our largest industries, and as a result we OWN 26% of GM, he gave the rest to the UAW, robbing preferred creditors (retirement funds) of their Constitutionally guaranteed preference. We own AIG, CITI and BofA.
If you're gonna post, know what you are posting about.edit on 21-12-2011 by jdub297 because: quote
Originally posted by jdub297
reply to post by Connector
Bush did not arrange the take-over of these various companies to benefit his cronies.
A loan is not the same as a bailout. We still own chunks of these guys because Obama altered the TARP to allow greater benefits to the insiders and supporters.
You do recall that it was he and Chris Dodd who re-wrote the TARP program and "slipped in" the language granting bonuses so that his buddies could bet huge bonuses, don't you? You do know that GM, AIG, B of A and CITI were all bailed out by taking ownership, not extending a loan?
Government would take non-voting stock in the companies, and there would be limits to executive compensation. The Treasury would oversee the restructuring.
In economics, a bailout is an act of loaning or giving capital to an entity (a company, a country, or an individual) that is in danger of failing, in an attempt to save it from bankruptcy, insolvency, or total liquidation and ruin; or to allow a failing entity to fail gracefully without spreading contagion.[1]
Originally posted by spinalremain
reply to post by Rockpuck
Totally. The Volt is laughable when you look across the board at the other automobiles numbers. Both in mileage and length of charge etc......
December 19, 2011- Mark Modica, an Associate Fellow of the National Legal and Policy Center, discusses GM's apparent goosing of Chevy Volt sales figures. Mark is interviewed by Neil Cavuto on the Fox News Channel.
But what neither G.M. nor the Treasury disclosed was that the company simply used other funds held by the Treasury to pay off its original loan.
Neil M. Barofsky, the inspector general overseeing the troubled asset program, revealed this detail when he spoke before the Senate Finance Committee on April 20.
“So it’s good news in that they’re reducing their debt,” Mr. Barofsky said of G.M. But he went on to note that G.M. was using other taxpayer money to make the loan repayment, according to the transcript of his testimony.
Armed with this information, Mr. Grassley fired off a letter to Mr. Geithner on April 22, asking for details of the transaction. “I am concerned ... that this announcement is not what it seems,” he wrote. “In fact, it appears to be nothing more than an elaborate TARP money shuffle.”
Mr. Grassley heard back from the Treasury last Tuesday. Herbert M. Allison Jr., assistant secretary for financial stability, confirmed that the money G.M. used to repay its bailout loan had come from a taxpayer-financed escrow account held for the automaker at the Treasury.
It’s certainly understandable that G.M. would want to spin its repayment as proof of improving operations. But Mr. Grassley said he was troubled that the Treasury went along with the public relations campaign and didn’t spell out how the loan was retired.
“The public would know nothing about the TARP escrow money being the source of the supposed repayment from simply watching G.M.’s TV commercials or reading Treasury’s press release,” Mr. Grassley said in a speech on the Senate floor last Wednesday, saying that “many billions” of federal dollars remained invested in G.M.
“Much of it will never be repaid,” Mr. Grassley added. “The Congressional Budget Office estimates that taxpayers will lose around $30 billion on G.M.”
(Taxpayers still own preferred stock of G.M. and 26 percent of its common equity.)