The Core Comprises Steel Beams And Columns With Reinforced Concrete Infill Panels., page 11
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reply posted on 6-1-2012 @ 03:23 AM by -PLB-
Originally posted by ANOK
Nonsense, have you ever dropped a plate on the ground, what happens to the pieces, do they stay in a pile where it was dropped?


I know that when I drop a concrete slab of 60 by 60 feet from 10 meters high, by far the majority of the rubble will end up in a square of 60 by 60 directly below the place I dropped the concrete slab. Do you disagree? If not, how did most of the rubble end up outside the square in case of the WTC?

But you misunderstand as usual, when we say mass should still be in the footprints we don't mean rubble, we mean whole floors, slabs of concrete, steel floor pans. There was no mechanism to cause the collapses to be complete, according to the OS. In fact we all know the OS didn't explain the collapses at all. The collapse should not have happened in the first place, let alone continue until it could collapse no more. Anyone with any experience in mechanics knows a sagging anything, from being heated up, can not put a pulling force on what it's connected to. And no, catenary action does not explain it. If the steel can not maintain its own shape due to malleability, it can not put any force on what it's attached to. The steel sags due to expansion, as has been explained to you many time by me and Bsbray, remember? Having said that though, it's highly doubtful they would have sagged in the first place.

Did you know that the tops of the trusses were connected to the steel pans the concrete sat in? How did the trusses sag when they were attached to the steel pans? What happened to the steel pans? There were also transverse trusses connected at right angles to the main trusses. How does a truss failure lead to complete failure of the whole floor so fast that it drops at such speed and force to overcome another floors of the same structure and strength?



The proof is in the post collapse pics, please show pics of all this debris still in the footprints. No excuses, just evidence for your claims, mr electrical engineer.


Still in denial about sagging trusses and other things I see.

Instead of repeating nonsense, why don't you come with an estimate of how much of the debris fell outside the perimeter, support this with evidence, and if you can explain how this happened. (Ok, I just wasted some bandwidth, time and keyboard wear on this, this post will probably be ignored all together.)
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reply posted on 6-1-2012 @ 06:11 AM by -PLB-
reply to post by Kester



My post is more about the value of the claims you make. Which is next to nothing as long as it is based on faith instead of evidence. The logical order is that you first get the evidence, then come with a theory. What you are doing is making up a theory, then say well, I need evidence to show my theory is correct, but I am not going to make any effort to get the evidence. And you somehow seem displeased by the fact nobody cares.



reply posted on 24-1-2012 @ 05:35 AM by -PLB-
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Just a questions, why should readers only consider if "debunkers" have valuable information to impart, and not hold the same standard for "truthers"?


reply posted on 24-1-2012 @ 07:56 AM by -PLB-
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Its ironic that you complain about substance while coming with a post like this. Yes that post of your shows bias. People are often blind of it.


reply posted on 25-1-2012 @ 10:06 PM by Darkwing01
reply to post by -PLB-





TextI know that when I drop a concrete slab of 60 by 60 feet from 10 meters high, by far the majority of the rubble will end up in a square of 60 by 60 directly below the place I dropped the concrete slab. Do you disagree? If not, how did most of the rubble end up outside the square in case of the WTC?


Yes, but it isn't just a case of WHERE the mass is, it is also far more crucially a question of what the coefficient of restitution is.
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reply posted on 26-1-2012 @ 02:45 AM by -PLB-
reply to post by ANOK



Thanks you are a funny truther. As usual totally confused about anything that has to do with physics. One correction though, the WTC was ~60x60 meter not feet, my bad. But it does not matter that much for understanding this simple concept, which of course you completely failed at as usual. Darkwing does seem to understand it and is using a tactic called shifting the goalposts. Darkwing, maybe you can explain Anok? That would be amusing to watch. I will remind you that simply writing "the electromagnetic force" isn't an explanation, nor is rambling about a normal force.


reply posted on 26-1-2012 @ 03:49 AM by -PLB-
reply to post by DrEugeneFixer



Cartoons aren't that bad. In fact, a patent was rejected because of prior art in Donald Duck:www.iusmentis.com...

The main difference between cartoons and Youtube it that with cartoons people know it is fiction. With Youtube it is a lot harder to separate nonsense from fact. You actually need to some education for that. On the bad side, Youtube is mostly filled with nonsense, as most people who do actual good science do not publish on Youtube.

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