The cubit is a traditional unit of length, based on the length of the forearm. Cubits of various lengths were employed in many parts of the world in Antiquity, in the Middle Ages and into Early Modern Times.
The Egyptian hieroglyph for the cubit shows the symbol of a forearm. The Egyptian cubit was subdivided into 7 palms of 4 digits each; surviving cubit rods are between 52.3 and 52.9 cm in length.[1]
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The metre (meter in the US), symbol m, is the base unit of length in the International System of Units (SI). Originally intended to be one ten-millionth of the distance from the Earth's equator to the North Pole (at sea level), its definition has been periodically refined to reflect growing knowledge of metrology. Since 1983, it is defined as the length of the path travelled by light in vacuum in 1⁄299,792,458 of a second.[1]
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π (sometimes written pi) is a mathematical constant that is the ratio of any circle's circumference to its diameter. π is approximately equal to 3.14. Many formulae in mathematics, science, and engineering involve π, which makes it one of the most important mathematical constants.[1] For instance, the area of a circle is equal to π times the square of the radius of the circle.
π is an irrational number, which means that its value cannot be expressed exactly as a fraction having integers in both the numerator and denominator (unlike 22/7). Consequently, its decimal representation never ends and never repeats. π is also a transcendental number, which implies, among other things, that no finite sequence of algebraic operations on integers (powers, roots, sums, etc.) can render its value; proving this fact was a significant mathematical achievement of the 19th century.
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In mathematics and the arts, two quantities are in the golden ratio if the ratio of the sum of the quantities to the larger quantity is equal to the ratio of the larger quantity to the smaller one. The golden ratio is an irrational mathematical constant, approximately 1.61803398874989.[1] Other names frequently used for the golden ratio are the golden section (Latin: sectio aurea) and golden mean.[2][3][4]
Golden Ratio
You're right, I'd heard about many of these things, such as the Pi thing. But the documentary also uncovered a lot of things that I hadn't seen before, specifically this: Pi - Phi^2 = cubit. I don't think I'd ever heard about the connection to the speed of light either, but it seems like a rather obvious thing. I will check out that book you recommended.
this information has been available for a long time. It seems like people are just beginning to actually take note of it.
Well I don't think that's necessarily true. Symbols are just a way to represent a numerical value or mathematical concept. And in my opinion, math is Universal. If you can understand the symbols you can understand the math.
All our math is based off of 3.14. or the symbol for it rather. so All our ___________ knowledge is based off of this symbol ...ect.
Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
Upon further inspection mathematicians found that the Great Pyramid of Giza has Pi built into the geometry. If you take the perimeter of the base and divide it by the height squared you'll get Pi (1760/560 = 3.14).
Originally posted by ChaoticOrderFurther more, the Great Pyramid has another very important number hidden within its geometry. If you take the surface area of the four top sides and divide it by the surface of the base, you'll get the 'golden number', also called the 'golden ratio'. In mathematics I think this number is called 'Phi' (identified with the φ symbol). So just what is this golden number?
In mathematics and the arts, two quantities are in the golden ratio if the ratio of the sum of the quantities to the larger quantity is equal to the ratio of the larger quantity to the smaller one. The golden ratio is an irrational mathematical constant, approximately 1.61803398874989.[1] Other names frequently used for the golden ratio are the golden section (Latin: sectio aurea) and golden mean.[2][3][4]
Golden Ratio
Originally posted by ChaoticOrderNow that we have all the ingredients that we need to connect this all together, prepare to have your mind blown. If you take Pi and subtract Phi squared you'll get one cubit (Pi - Phi^2 = cubit).
You are correct, I wasn't thinking when I wrote that. I'll correct it if I still have time. Thanks for telling me.
I believe you mean "...divide it by twice the height."
According to the dimensions in the pic you provided, the height is 280 cubits. 280 squared is 78,400 not 560.
Of course I am aware they can't be expressed as a ratio. They can't be fully expressed at all.
You are aware, of course, that neither pi nor phi can be expressed as a ratio? Hence the numbers you arrive at in both cases are in fact not the actual pi and phi?
I don't know what you did wrong, but this is how it should look:
Sorry, but what you actually get is a dimensionless number that can't be even close to a cubit: approximately -0.523466011 or so (I only used 3.1415 for pi so that number is not really accurate beyond 4 decimal places.)
Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
....Upon further inspection mathematicians found that the Great Pyramid of Giza has Pi built into the geometry. If you take the perimeter of the base and divide it by the height multiplied by 2 you'll get Pi (1760/560 = 3.14). The Great Pyramid is a 'square circle' as they say. This is another highly debated subject. Many people refuse to believe the Egyptians had knowledge of Pi or encoded it into their buildings. So what exactly is Pi? ....
Further more, the Great Pyramid has another very important number hidden within its geometry. If you take the surface area of the four top sides and divide it by the surface of the base, you'll get the 'golden number', also called the 'golden ratio'. In mathematics I think this number is called 'Phi' (identified with the φ symbol). So just what is this golden number?....
Originally posted by circlemaker
When I plug in pi-phi^2 as the radian value, the sine value is 0.499 and the cosine value is 0.866. Very close to the square root of 3/4 (sine) and 1/2 (cosine) but not quite.
0.52355 = pi-phi^2
0.52359 = pi/6
(I truncated the values after they started to deviate)
No opinion on this, I'm just checking out the precision and noting it here.
As for the circle>square>circle image and it's supposed relationship to the speed of light... I'm going to need a little more context for that.
Originally posted by knightsofcydonia
this information has been available for a long time. It seems like people are just beginning to actually take note of it.
Drunvalo Melchizedek wrote the Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life, back in 1994 which contains this information and explains what it means to us as humans. You should check it out if your interested in expanding your knowledge of pyramids and sacred geometry.edit on 17-12-2011 by knightsofcydonia because: (no reason given)
Yes but many of these examples wouldn't work if the pyramid was scaled up or down just a tiny amount. For example the result of the last example wouldn't be the speed of light. The connections between the cubit and the meter is quite interesting, not to mention the cubits clear link to Pi and Phi. Of course it's easy enough to unwittingly hide Pi within the design of a building, but there are just so many clever features hidden within the design that I think there's no possible way they came up with this design by accident, they clearly understood the mathematical brilliance of the design. I mean give them some damn credit, Giza is still one of the most sophisticated, if not the most sophisticated building on Earth. They knew a lot more than we'll ever admit.
By defining the Gizamids in such a manner the ancients would have placed these values (Pi, Phi) into the pyramid's dimensions whether they had intended it or not, whether they knew it or not.
The Great Pyramid at Giza, constructed c.2589–2566 BC, was built with a perimeter of 1760 cubits and a height of 280 cubits giving the ratio 1760/280 ≈ 2π. The same apotropaic proportions were used earlier at the Pyramid of Meidum c.2613-2589 BC and later in the pyramids of Abusir c.2453-2422. Some Egyptologists consider this to have been the result of deliberate design proportion. Verner wrote, "We can conclude that although the ancient Egyptians could not precisely define the value of π, in practice they used it".[39] Petrie, author of Pyramids and Temples of Gizeh concluded: "but these relations of areas and of circular ratio are so systematic that we should grant that they were in the builders design".[40] Others have argued that the Ancient Egyptians had no concept of π and would not have thought to encode it in their monuments. They argued that creation of the pyramid may instead be based on simple ratios of the sides of right-angled triangles (the seked).[41], however, the Rhind Papyrus in fact shows that the seked was derived from the base and height dimensions, and not the converse[42], so that the use of the seked system does not negate the conclusions regarding the original dimension and proportion design choices. This means that the so called 'pi theory' remains legitimate, and it has been accepted by many authorities including Petrie, Edwards and Verner[43].
Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
reply to post by Scott Creighton
Yes but many of these examples wouldn't work if the pyramid was scaled up or down just a tiny amount. For example the result of the last example wouldn't be the speed of light. The connections between the cubit and the meter is quite interesting, not to mention the cubits clear link to Pi and Phi. Of course it's easy enough to unwittingly hide Pi within the design of a building, but there are just so many clever features hidden within the design that I think there's no possible way they came up with this design by accident, they clearly understood the mathematical brilliance of the design. I mean give them some damn credit, Giza is still one of the most sophisticated, if not the most sophisticated building on Earth. They knew a lot more than we'll ever admit.
SC: By defining the Gizamids in such a manner the ancients would have placed these values (Pi, Phi) into the pyramid's dimensions whether they had intended it or not, whether they knew it or not.
Originally posted by bulla
reply to post by Scott Creighton
Hi Scott if this is so, then use Giza Atomic clock the three baby pyramids, that were used to drive Giza at sunrise and this will give you the answer you seek