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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by Misoir
In todays world, the founders would be viewed as extremist idiots...I doubt if they would even get 1% of any vote.
Originally posted by Misoir
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by Misoir
In todays world, the founders would be viewed as extremist idiots...I doubt if they would even get 1% of any vote.
That would say more of us than it would of them.
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
The founder were wrong on many things...slavery, not letting women vote, killing off the natives.
But they are correct about a free market
Originally posted by Misoir
Obama: Limited Gov't That Preserves Free Markets 'Doesn't Work. It Has Never Worked'
In a speech delivered at Osawatomie High School in Osawatomie, Kansas, on Tuesday, President Barack Obama argued that while a limited government that preserves free markets "speaks to our rugged individualism" as Americans, such a system "doesn't work" and "has never worked" and that Americans must look to a more activist government that taxes more, spends more and regulates more if they want to preserve the middle class...
"Now, it’s a simple theory," said Obama. "And we have to admit, it’s one that speaks to our rugged individualism and our healthy skepticism of too much government. That’s in America’s DNA. And that theory fits well on a bumper sticker. But here’s the problem: It doesn’t work. It has never worked.
Now, just as there was in Teddy Roosevelt’s time, there is a certain crowd in Washington who, for the last few decades, have said, let’s respond to this economic challenge with the same old tune. “The market will take care of everything,” they tell us.
If we just cut more regulations and cut more taxes -- especially for the wealthy -- our economy will grow stronger.
Sure, they say, there will be winners and losers.
But if the winners do really well, then jobs and prosperity will eventually trickle down to everybody else. And, they argue, even if prosperity doesn’t trickle down, well, that’s the price of liberty.
Now, it’s a simple theory. And we have to admit, it’s one that speaks to our rugged individualism and our healthy skepticism of too much government. That’s in America’s DNA. And that theory fits well on a bumper sticker. (Laughter.) But here’s the problem: It doesn’t work. It has never worked. (Applause.) It didn’t work when it was tried in the decade before the Great Depression. It’s not what led to the incredible postwar booms of the ‘50s and ‘60s. And it didn’t work when we tried it during the last decade. (Applause.) I mean, understand, it’s not as if we haven’t tried this theory.
Originally posted by Shugo
reply to post by macman
My argument to that would be, at the very least Bush attempted to reduce government influence and spending at the very end when he realized he was in too deep, whereas Obama's idea has been to spend us out of debt and increase government payroll.
Originally posted by Misoir
In a speech delivered at Osawatomie High School in Osawatomie, Kansas, on Tuesday, President Barack Obama argued that while a limited government that preserves free markets "speaks to our rugged individualism" as Americans, such a system "doesn't work" and "has never worked"
Theodore Roosevelt disagreed. He was the Republican son of a wealthy family. He praised what the titans of industry had done to create jobs and grow the economy. He believed then what we know is true today, that the free market is the greatest force for economic progress in human history. It’s led to a prosperity and a standard of living unmatched by the rest of the world.
But Roosevelt also knew that the free market has never been a free license to take whatever you can from whomever you can.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
The founder were wrong on many things...slavery, not letting women vote, killing off the natives.
But they are correct about a free market ... and THAT is what Obama was saying they were wrong about. Obama worships the Euro-socialist way of doing things ... even as it falls apart and needs our $$$ to be bailed out with. It's completely irrational on his part. Unless he wants the Euro-socialist way of doing things because he knows it will destroy what's left of our economy .... and if that's the case then he's an evil destroy-america genius to be where he is now and doing what he's doing.
Originally posted by Hefficide
I'm no huge fan of Obama, at all, but to blame him is naive. The problems we are facing today are the result of decades of exceptionally arrogant corruption and criminal behavior by our leaders, all the way from the White House to your/my local city council. To think that we think of Tammany Hall as the height of corruption and, compared to politics today, Boss Tweed was actually pretty darned honest.
Short of a massive, groundswell revolution (of opinions, not guns), nothing will change, and it will all continue to slide downhill. The scales, right now, in fact, may be too weighted to one side to ever right things.
~Heff