Originally posted by indigothefish
reply to post by Misoir

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i don't know what to make of this because it seems anytime obama says something, anything, he does the exact opposite of it. hopefully these statements he's made won't break that pattern? ahaha

it's a cosmic joke how the american people have been duped.

in all seriousness though, obama is simply incorrect and only trying to use his skills of rhetoric to justify the coming police state and gigantic controling government that is to soon come.

Originally posted by Shugo
reply to post by kauskau

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Germany's economy has not even fully recovered yet since World War II, let alone the fact that Germany's credit rating is about to take a dive just like the US did. Free Market or not, you guys are in the same boat as the rest of the EU and the US.

Originally posted by Shugo
reply to post by kauskau

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There's no fact in that, all it proves is that regulation doesn't work either. I'm not saying a flat out free market works, but I'm not saying regulation works either, and Germany is case in point. The entire global economy is failing, it has nothing to do with regulation or free market.

Originally posted by kauskau

Originally posted by Shugo
reply to post by kauskau

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There's no fact in that, all it proves is that regulation doesn't work either. I'm not saying a flat out free market works, but I'm not saying regulation works either, and Germany is case in point. The entire global economy is failing, it has nothing to do with regulation or free market.

i agree. We need something new...We need the best of BOTH worlds. Capitalism and socialism!

The German economy practically stagnated in the beginning of the 2000s. The worst growth figures were achieved in 2002 (+1.4%), in 2003 (+1.0%) and in 2005 (+1.4%).[43] Unemployment was also chronically high.[44] Due to these problems, together with Germany's aging population, the welfare system came under a lot of strain. This led the government to push through a wide-ranging programme of belt-tightening reforms, Agenda 2010, including the labour market reforms known as Hartz I - IV. In the latter part of the first decade of 2000 the world economy experienced high growth, from which Germany as a leading exporter also profited. Some attribute the Hartz reforms to the high German growth and declining unemployment, while others contend that it resulted in a massive decrease in standards of living, and that its effects are limited and temporary.[44]

The nominal GDP of Germany contracted in the second and third quarters of 2008, putting the country in a technical recession following a global and European recession cycle.[45] German industrial output dropped to 3.6% in September vis-a-vis August.[46][47] In January 2009 the German government under Angela Merkel approved a €50 billion ($70 billion) economic stimulus plan to protect several sectors from a downturn and a subsequent rise in unemployment rates.[48] Germany exited the recession in the second and third quarters of 2009, mostly due to rebounding manufacturing orders and exports - primarily from outside the Euro Zone - and relatively steady consumer demand.[44]

Originally posted by Shugo
reply to post by Fractured.Facade

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I should bring up the fact, that the American public is given more choices on paper than what the media allows broadcast. It's all about Republicans and Democrats on TV, but there are many options on paper, people just don't utilize those options like they should.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by Misoir

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The founder were wrong on many things...slavery, not letting women vote, killing off the natives.

Why is it so surprising to you that people have differing opinions with the "founders"...they are irrelevant today...they aren't gods to be worshipped.

In todays world, the founders would be viewed as extremist idiots...I doubt if they would even get 1% of any vote.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Indigo5

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He clearly was referring to the Free Market which he said doesn't work and never worked

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

Originally posted by Misoir

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by Misoir

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In todays world, the founders would be viewed as extremist idiots...I doubt if they would even get 1% of any vote.

That would say more of us than it would of them.

Yes, it would say that we have evolved in our thinking...and they have not.


Am I to assume that you support everything they stood for? Do you agree with them that women had no right to vote? Do you agree that slavery was just fine?

Or do you disagree with the beloved founding fathers *GASP*....blasphemy

edit on 7-12-2011 by OutKast Searcher because: (no reason given)

It leaves everyone else rightly suspicious that the system in Washington is rigged against them, that our elected representatives aren’t looking out for the interests of most Americans.