Question about Islam and Sex

reply to post by LunaKat

Originally posted by LunaKat
Sorry I don't think I'd be more comfortable in the heat dressed from head to toe.

Perhaps you wouldn't. But it would be more understanding to realise that that is because of your cultural upbringing, rather than any conceived superiority of "your culture vs theirs" (at least in this particular case). Some other woman may say "I wouldn't feel comfortable being so bare and exposed", and she'd be right too.

Originally posted by LunaKat
And it is still very odd to me that the Egyptian women were dressed like nuns and the men it was a toss up. Some dressed that way, mostly the young adult men didn't. I just wonder why the young Egyptian women didn't have the same choice? Why young and old Egyptian women all had to wear that?

But as I already pointed out, it isn't like that. All egyptian women don't dress like nuns (heck, most don't). Compounded with the fact that the headscarf/hijab is part of their fashion sense (think of it like those scarves women wore in the 50s and 60s?), I'd have to point out that you really didn't choose the best example with Egypt. There certainly ARE "Islamic" countries that are oppressing women in this regard (Saudi Arabia would be an obvious example), but a country where women can go in bikinis on the beach (as well as the occasional completely naked person), where their most prominent female celebrities are (generally) provocatively dressed singers and musicians and actresses, isn't exactly the best example.

To be ashamed of human body or sex, or to consider them in some way immoral, is a sign of a small-minded and brainwashed person. It is another lie of Abrahamic faiths that modesty is a virtue, similar to belief without evidence being considered a virtue. But what do you expect from a twisted and deeply immoral philosophy composed to keep primitive peasants in check by kings that were not much wiser themselves.

Originally posted by Charmed707

Originally posted by LunaKat

I said its a derogatory word used for women (done by ToneDeaf) and then gave you a paragraph about the use of the word which you then argued more about.

You don't really have a point about it being insulting to all women- not with your wikipedia definition or anything else you've said. Some women really do act like bimbos. It's wrong to criticize them for it? There are insults used exclusively for males as well.

Enough already.

Enough with the PC nonsense.

Charmed I'm gonna write this and turn this off cause this has gotten ludicrous. I don't like or use the word bimbo ever. I believe all women are the Goddess so yeah what is said or done to women is important to me. I'm not Christian or Muslim or Jewish. I have never heard the word bimbo used in a flattering way toward any woman. It may be part of your vocabulary. It isn't part of mine.

Originally posted by LunaKatdefending the word bimbo. You may like it, I don't.

I don't like it when people jump to shallow conclusions that
I'm somehow oppressed, just because I wear a hijab.
I don't appreciate others speaking for me;
that in itself is OPPRESSION. You may like it,
I don't.

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Originally posted by LunaKat

I believe all women are the Goddess

Uh...wow. That's pure lunacy if you ask me (or any sane person).

so yeah what is said or done to women is important to me.

Obviously any criticism of any woman should be taboo in your book.

I'm not Christian or Muslim or Jewish.

...but you have your own religion in which you worship women. Right?

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Re: Vitamin D
(sarcasm intended), even a bimbo would know vitamin D
can be obtained by a proper diet, yogurt, cheese, etc.
And just to add,
Rickets and scurvy was very common in industrialized cities
around the turn of the twentieth century,
both in the United States and in Europe, can't say that
I know anyone who has gotten rickets or lacked in vitamin D
because they've worn modest clothing Lol.
Also there is a big difference between clothing "in public" and
clothing in private home life.
(but that is nobody elses business)
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Originally posted by Algernonsmouse
WRONG and your post proves you are wrong.

:shk: No. You are wrong (as usual).

You are confusing outragous laws in a PLACE with rules practiced by a religion.

You are intentionally overlooking the fact that the laws in a muslim country are there BECAUSE of the religion.

You are also just repeating a story you had access to. One story.

SO? Everything here is repeated from somewhere else. You make no sense.

Get it?

I do. But you obviously don't.

Originally posted by Algernonsmouse
Can you explain how woman are repressed in Islam? Not Saudi Arabia, not Egypt, ISLAM. And uh, yeah "repressed?"

:shk: Saudi Arabia, Egypt, etc .. their laws are based on ISLAM. They use ISLAM as an excuse to repress and beat women. It's totally mysogynistic. A cult based on lies by a madman and on fulfilling a mans carnal pleasure.

ISLAM - a woman is worth less than a man
Woman and proving rape in Islam
Wife Beating in Islam
How a woman is divorced in Islam
men in charge of women in Islam
Women charged with adultry in Islam
Polygamy in Islam
Prostitution passed off as 'temporary marriage' in Islam
Lesbians and Islam
Wife beating in Islam ... allowed and even encouraged
Imam teaches Islamic way to beat wives

Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and forsake them in beds apart, and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely God is high, supreme. Sura 4:34

edited to add ... the ultimate REPRESSION ... DEATH ...

News source here

Faisalabad (Agenzia Fides) - The local Catholic community already calls her "Maria Goretti of Pakistan" and remembers her as a "martyr of faith". While the Church of Faisalabad is still shaken by the murder of an 18-year-old Catholic Mariah Manisha, who was killed by a Muslim for refusing the forced conversion and the Islamic marriage, some local Muslim leaders are trying to "buy the silence" of the victim's family. As sources of Fides report, the Muslim leaders intend to apply the Islamic mechanism of the "diyat", the so-called "blood money" provided by the Sharia: thanks to an adequate "financial compensation", the family of the victim forgives the murderer , and this paves the way for his release, putting an end to the affair, without any legal punishment

Originally posted by Charmed707

Originally posted by LunaKat

I believe all women are the Goddess

Uh...wow. That's pure lunacy if you ask me (or any sane person).

so yeah what is said or done to women is important to me.

Obviously any criticism of any woman should be taboo in your book.

I'm not Christian or Muslim or Jewish.

...but you have your own religion in which you worship women. Right?

There has been a very long history of worshiping a Goddess (or even Mother Father God) rather than a God. It goes back to our earliest days and is found in Hinduism and Pagan religions to name just a couple. Lunacy = from Luna = Moon Goddess.

Originally posted by ToneDeaf
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Re: Vitamin D
(sarcasm intended), even a bimbo would know vitamin D
can be obtained by a proper diet, yogurt, cheese, etc.
And just to add,
Rickets and scurvy was very common in industrialized cities
around the turn of the twentieth century,
both in the United States and in Europe, can't say that
I know anyone who has gotten rickets or lacked in vitamin D
because they've worn modest clothing Lol.
Also there is a big difference between clothing "in public" and
clothing in private home life.
(but that is nobody elses business)
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edit on 9/12/11 by ToneDeaf because: (no reason given)

Be as sarcastic and ignorant as you wish. But there is evidence that we can't get enough Vitamin D from diet alone. And Vitamin D is involved in many processes.

Maybe if you took the dang ugly sheets off your brain could get a little air from time to time. Something obviously is messing with your head. Pretty good guess what it is.

Originally posted by babloyi
reply to post by LunaKat

 

Originally posted by LunaKat
Sorry I don't think I'd be more comfortable in the heat dressed from head to toe.

Perhaps you wouldn't. But it would be more understanding to realise that that is because of your cultural upbringing, rather than any conceived superiority of "your culture vs theirs" (at least in this particular case). Some other woman may say "I wouldn't feel comfortable being so bare and exposed", and she'd be right too.

Originally posted by LunaKat
And it is still very odd to me that the Egyptian women were dressed like nuns and the men it was a toss up. Some dressed that way, mostly the young adult men didn't. I just wonder why the young Egyptian women didn't have the same choice? Why young and old Egyptian women all had to wear that?

But as I already pointed out, it isn't like that. All egyptian women don't dress like nuns (heck, most don't). Compounded with the fact that the headscarf/hijab is part of their fashion sense (think of it like those scarves women wore in the 50s and 60s?), I'd have to point out that you really didn't choose the best example with Egypt. There certainly ARE "Islamic" countries that are oppressing women in this regard (Saudi Arabia would be an obvious example), but a country where women can go in bikinis on the beach (as well as the occasional completely naked person), where their most prominent female celebrities are (generally) provocatively dressed singers and musicians and actresses, isn't exactly the best example.

edit on 9-12-2011 by babloyi because: (no reason given)

It has nothing to do with cultural as to why I'd be uncomfortable. Its simple, I wear additional clothing when its cold out not when its hot out. Then it is for warmth. And I'm not ashamed of my body where I feel the need to cover it up in ugly sacks.

Men should not be telling women how to dress whether that be a husband or a male religion. And then brainwashing their women into believing they should enjoy it. A woman in that kind of situation would have fear of saying anything against it. Fear what her husband might do to her. Fear what her religion or society might do. Where there is fear like that there is no truth.

reply to post by LunaKat

Originally posted by LunaKat
Be as sarcastic and ignorant as you wish. But there is evidence that we can't get enough Vitamin D from diet alone.

Actually, as I outlined in my first post in this thread, you totally can. Also, as I outlined in that same post, the Institute of Medicine at the NAS (the guys who give you the Dietary Reference Intakes for how much of what you should eat in a day) assume almost no sun exposure in calculating the vitamin D required, because THE RISK OF CANCER IS PRETTY SERIOUS FROM BEING OUT IN THE SUN TOO MUCH. Have a proper balanced diet (eggs, fish, the occasional mushroom, cod liver oil if you have a fussy grandmother), and you'll be TOTALLY FINE for Vitamin D.

Also, if you think the only reason to wear clothing is to protect from cold, then....well....what can I say? You are wrong. They serve just as much importance in protecting you from UV rays which can cause cancer, and sunburn.

Where did it come up anything about men telling anyone how to dress? So far I've been discussing a fairly scientific aspect of it. But since you bring it up, here's something interesting for you....
NONE of the muslim women I know (most of who are young adults in their 20s and 30s) wear hijab because some man told them. They feel it is a symbol of their independence and identity. What gives you the right to claim your opinion (that all that extra clothing is evil and oppression) is more important than theirs? In fact, I know that many of their parents are very annoyed with their hijabs, saying stuff like "If you wear that, how will you ever get married, and how will we ever get grandchildren?"

Originally posted by LunaKat
reply to post by ToneDeaf

 

Brrrr... its in the 20s outside right now, lol. There are other reasons to wear clothes. There is no other reason to be covered from head to toe in countries where its very hot (how unhealthy to be dressed like that!) other than to shame and oppress.

Have you ever been to the desert? The long layered robes actually keep you alot cooler then jeans and a t shirt. plus i think the dress of the middle east predates the modern or relatively modern religions.

Originally posted by LunaKat

There has been a very long history of worshiping a Goddess (or even Mother Father God) rather than a God.

Irrelevant. That doesn't make it any less loony.

Originally posted by LunaKat
Men should not be telling women how to dress whether that be a husband or a male religion. And then brainwashing their women into believing they should enjoy it. A woman in that kind of situation would have fear of saying anything against it. Fear what her husband might do to her. Fear what her religion or society might do.

On the same theme, what does commercialism do besides
promote anorexia, bimbos, floozies, and airheads ?
Psychologically pressuring people to comply to 'fit in' with
peer mentality.
Didn't Mother-Teresa choose out of her own free will ?
Didn't Mother of Jesus choose out of her own free will ?
Just because you say they were forced, oh it must be so ? NOT.
Who really is the oppressor when it's you who can't accept
the free-will of others and the meaning of choice.
STOP USING WOMEN as an excuse to war.

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Originally posted by sHuRuLuNi

Originally posted by flexy123
We know that Islam is very strict and has often very bizarre rules, like women need to be all covered..and now the recent thread about forbidding women to touch bananas. (Where i don't know whether this one is a joke or not).

Also..remember the episode a few weeks ago with the blogger from Egypt who caused outrage in the Islam world because she posted a naked picture on her blog. (Made the news big time)

My question is, whether those rules only apply to their women?

For example, women are being punished if they don't wear those head-dresses or if they post naked pictures on a blog - but men have freedom to do things, for example surfing on the internet, watching porn etc.?!

I am asking since i really don't know.

It's called decency.
It is not only in Islam - it is the same in the Old and New Testament.
It applies to both MEN and WOMEN.
They shall both be decent and humble.

No woman will be punished in Islam if she doesn't have a head covering.

It is another thing if she is walking around completely naked - because THAT can cause public stir. That is why it is not allowed. And it is also valid for men.

And no, neither women, nor men should watch porn.

That is the whole reason of marriage. If you have a biological need for sex - get married.

Yes i can agree with this. There are logical applications. Pornograhpy destroys marriages and entices men and women to lust and in some cases covet the man or women on the films or magazines who may be married and then you not just have the sin of lust on your hands but adultery too.