Harvard Mathematics Ph.D talks to man who considers lower-class as separate sub-species

An amazing display of the human ego. Sad thing is, as intelligent as his mind can compute math he cannot even see that he is still part of the herd/Species/energy that is currently below another Energy/species. So in a way it verifies the intelligence or educated mindstates difference.. deep* I am lower class/subhuman/ slave @ least I learned how to deal with struggle and find ways to adjust to hard times and except I am = to the energies around me, smh

reply to post by DaughterOfARevolver


I hear ya on the up-bringing, however, I firmly believe in choice. I chose not to follow the footsteps of others. As for this "Professor", he is spouting Eugenics.

reply to post by InfaRedMan


there are many kinds of losers in this world - aren't there IRM?

and just as many different kinds of winners

but, we don't all use the same scale to measure the worth of a human being

political correctness my hindquarters

Originally posted by greenCo

Originally posted by InfaRedMan
reply to post by beezzer

 

Sadly, if you have losers for parents, the probability is low that you will be too much different.

IRM

Losers being human beings unable to make money from profitable professions? Perhaps the western point of view about losers is not the same in the entire world/human species. Beware to put random labels on valuable people that you really don´t know.

Who ever said anything about profitable professions? Not me! If you're going to argue with me on a point, at least quote something I said in the first place. You have a flare for the dramatic!

IRM

Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
reply to post by InfaRedMan

 

there are many kinds of losers in this world - aren't there IRM?

You betcha... Spiramirabilis! Right

IRM

This argument could go on for days.

Food for thought though. I live in a part of Texas that saw a large influx of Katrina victims (tm) coming from NOLA. Most of them were given places to live while they collected their "assistance" checks. Most of them are still here.

I have friends that went to NOLA to aid in the cleanup and some of the rebuilding. They mentioned how utterly disgusting it was to literally have to step over residents and homeowners in the process of working. Rather than help (ie. Work) with the tasks at hand, these people chose to sit on their asses and whine and moan about what happened to them.

Personally - I believe there are various classes of people in our society. Neither is better than the other but they DO serve different purposes of varying degrees of importance

reply to post by beezzer

I don't think that it is genetic. It is a learned behaviour, though. Parents teach their children smply by living their lives the way that they do.

so true beezzer

it's also about expectations. Sometimes we don't learn that life can be better or bigger when we're young - that we can become more than we thought possible.

And in combination with not learning to think big - or even dream big, people are often conditioned to not succeed by circumstance.

Learned helplessness, as a technical term in animal psychology and related human psychology, means a condition of a human person or an animal in which it has learned to behave helplessly, even when the opportunity is restored for it to help itself by avoiding an unpleasant or harmful circumstance to which it has been subjected. Learned helplessness theory is the view that clinical depression and related mental illnesses may result from a perceived absence of control over the outcome of a situation.[1]

en.wikipedia.org...

We can't be what we haven't learned to believe we can be.

Some people overcome it - some don't. But this sort of thing doesn't just apply to class - poverty and wealth - it shows up in all kinds of behavior and the choices we make in life

We all have different strengths and weaknesses

Yeah i had the joy of going to a boarding school, it shocked me to discover that a number of my close mates at the time held the belief that they were just genetically better than others, apparently i was an exception to this rule. As far as they were concerned, breeding was the predominant force in deciding how successful you would be. I was the exception because i was more intelligent yet both of my parents came from council estates.

Originally posted by Blaine91555It IS due to environment. The better the environment you are raised in the better your chances. Perhaps that is what he truly meant?

The heritability of the IQ is at least around 0.8. Therefore, you are wrong.

The answer is also not found in that sort of response. The answer lies in education and exposure to different idea's. The inner cities are crawling with people who would and could be geniuses and holders of high Degree's given the right environment and opportunity.

Nowhere is crawling with geniuses, unless you're visiting the physics faculty or have stumbled upon a Mensa gathering. Even then the use of the term, when compared with the ascription of genius to a Mozart or a Newton, is questionable. Traits of intelligence, and let's not pretend we don't have a good idea of what the historical meaning of that word is, are for the greater part inherited. How could have been born into a "disadvantaged" family in the first place if he, and almost always by implication his family, are so intellectually gifted? No, I'm afraid mean IQ's and variance show that "inner cities", and I can presume what you imply about the origins of the population in question by that, are not only not "crawling with geniuses", but they are full of persons considerably dumber than most of those in the suburbs.

Economic status, at least as it separates the middle class from the lower class, is more a function of intelligence than vice versa. Exceptions are exceptions.

reply to post by AnIntellectualRedneck

The Ruling vs Working Class

This is very reflective of the entire Illuminatiism based Oligarchical society that has been created and begins at the Elitist institutions of higher learning.

Remember that the Illuminati are "Illuminated Ones"....and consider themselves enlightened and thereby above the majority of the common working class.

I attended University in the Northeast and while visiting former classmates at the fancy IVY League schools such as Harvard, Yale and Princeton this attitude of superiority is rampant amongst the IVY League University students where it is ALL about who your Father and Your Family is.

Another factoid observed at Harvard is that the majority of students attending these Elite Universities are Great GrandChildren of Alumni of Harvard and receive preferential treatment in the acceptance process to Harvard ....why ?

Because their Family being wealthy Alumni "donate" money to the University which is returned in kind during the acceptance process. Thereby essentially "Buying" a position in Society.

An individual could be an absolute Genius, but due to poor English comprehension skills due to his parents being uneducated he/she will test poorly on the Scholastic Aptitude Tests (SAT) and IQ Tests which are written in English using words he/she has never encountered/heard before ever used by his parents.

As a result of testing "Poorly" these individuals are thereby relegated to the "lower-class" and further perpetuating the cycle of the haves and the have nots.

This is all by Design.

And hence this Ph.D's pompous but predictable attitude because he is a beneficiary of this biased system and is only recycling what he has been told all of his life.


Peace

reply to post by beezzer


Would you like me to point out the irony in your post?

reply to post by beezzer

What I don't understand is this constant need to categorize. I don't know this guys' politics, but I'd bet that he's a progressive democrat.

Sorry, I just found that hilarious.

Sentence one states that you don't understand the need to categorize.
Sentence two, you categorize the person into being a progressive democrat with little to base that on.

That's funny.

But I agree, the guy is an idiot and it does have the scent of fascism. Just look at what Nazi Germany was able to do, and get it's civilian population to do, by convincing them that their "enemies" were in fact sub-species of humans.

Then again, the Allies did the same thing referring to the Japanese.

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Oh, you pointed it out before he had a chance to see it for himself. Spoilsport

Originally posted by TXRabbit
This argument could go on for days.

Food for thought though. I live in a part of Texas that saw a large influx of Katrina victims (tm) coming from NOLA. Most of them were given places to live while they collected their "assistance" checks. Most of them are still here.

I've done a lot of volunteer work for Hearts and Hammers. We spend one day trying to get as much done on a house as we can, it's a full day of ant-hill type activity, really crazy. I've never once seen a homeowner lift a finger to help on their own house, they remain inside the house, usually with the shades drawn. You'd be surprised how much we sometimes have to bang on the door just to get them to plug an extension cord in (those older homes never have outlets outside). Often their adult children will stand in the street with their friends watching the progress, but doing nothing themselves. As one of the mentors I would frequently get questions about why the residents aren't helping out, and usually there was a lot of anger attached to the question. My response was always "you have to consider that we're doing this to improve the entire community, it's not about a particular person or family." I'm not mad/ bitter or anything, just stating how it is/ was. I still think it's a worthwhile effort. Do I agree with the OP article comment that these people are a separate subspecies? Well no, I'm convinced that anyone brought up in the proper environment can rise above. As an example, we have friends that adopted a girl from a horribly impoverished village in South America. These are people that grow their own food and wash their clothes in creeks. They would fall firmly in the "subspecies" category described in the article. Yet this girl was brought to America at a young age and brought up by loving, middle-class parents. She is now an accomplished violinist and constantly ranks near the top of her class in school. Perhaps if the Harvard mathematician in the OP came down from his ivory tower once in a while he'd realize how much brainpower is being wasted because people want to write off this "subculture" as worthless without a second thought.

Yes this is very disturbing. good post

Originally posted by beezzer
I don't know this guys' politics, but I'd bet that he's a progressive democrat.

Originally posted by beezzer
I honestly think that morons like this guy deliberately state these things to illicite responses that would further push their own ideologies.

Just another day in the life of the hypocrisy of Beezzer. That second quote is hilarious beezz, I would sig it if it didnt get me banned.

reply to post by starwarsisreal


I believe it ALL, subsidize anything and it will snowball.
Look at the stats, you cannot discredit him, he's stating FACT.
Deny ignorance.

Too many sucklers... Not enough working taxpayers to "subsidize" the herd...

Originally posted by paratus
reply to post by starwarsisreal

 

I believe it ALL, subsidize anything and it will snowball.
Look at the stats, you cannot discredit him, he's stating FACT.
Deny ignorance.

Too many sucklers... Not enough working taxpayers to "subsidize" the herd...

I am sick of this tired old argument. Do you say the same thing when bankers get trillions from the herd? Are you angry when the military takes most of the herds money? I am paying for soldiers health care, isnt that socialism?

God damn people are stupid. Deny ignorance indeed, instead of exuding it.

Originally posted by SavedOne

Originally posted by TXRabbit
This argument could go on for days.

Food for thought though. I live in a part of Texas that saw a large influx of Katrina victims (tm) coming from NOLA. Most of them were given places to live while they collected their "assistance" checks. Most of them are still here.

I've done a lot of volunteer work for Hearts and Hammers. We spend one day trying to get as much done on a house as we can, it's a full day of ant-hill type activity, really crazy. I've never once seen a homeowner lift a finger to help on their own house, they remain inside the house, usually with the shades drawn. You'd be surprised how much we sometimes have to bang on the door just to get them to plug an extension cord in (those older homes never have outlets outside). Often their adult children will stand in the street with their friends watching the progress, but doing nothing themselves. As one of the mentors I would frequently get questions about why the residents aren't helping out, and usually there was a lot of anger attached to the question. My response was always "you have to consider that we're doing this to improve the entire community, it's not about a particular person or family." I'm not mad/ bitter or anything, just stating how it is/ was. I still think it's a worthwhile effort. Do I agree with the OP article comment that these people are a separate subspecies? Well no, I'm convinced that anyone brought up in the proper environment can rise above. As an example, we have friends that adopted a girl from a horribly impoverished village in South America. These are people that grow their own food and wash their clothes in creeks. They would fall firmly in the "subspecies" category described in the article. Yet this girl was brought to America at a young age and brought up by loving, middle-class parents. She is now an accomplished violinist and constantly ranks near the top of her class in school. Perhaps if the Harvard mathematician in the OP came down from his ivory tower once in a while he'd realize how much brainpower is being wasted because people want to write off this "subculture" as worthless without a second thought.

I'm with you on all this ^
I see it every day, entitled-minded bums with their hand outstretched in every direction, grasping for their free ride.
they know full well how to work the system and with a precision now that would baffle you.
You think your tax money is going to "help" those in "need"?
Think AGAIN

I think that some of what he is saying is true.

I do think that intelligence is, somewhat, inherited. I think that a good environment helps an intelligent person maximize their potential.

Right now we are seeing this in our schools. Kids from impoverished areas are not performing at their grade levels. Kids from affluent areas tend to do well in schools.

As the affluent kids mature they go to upper class Universities and meet others from the same background. They reproduce and their children will have the advantages of their class and their inherited traits.

The same is happening in economically disadvantaged areas. The people are getting together and producing children that don't have the economic advantage and also may not have the advantage of inherited intelligence.

If you want to learn more about it, read about the under performing schools in your area. Almost all of those schools will be in poor areas. Then find the best schools in your area. Almost all of them will be in affluent areas.