BOMBSHELL: US Caught Meddling in Russian Elections! , page 3

reply to post by Xcathdra

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Saakashilivil is an american puppet who's acting like a dictator now.As for the previous president he was a russophobe also but not an american puppet.

reply to post by pavil

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Medvedvev and Zyugunov(communist party) are true competitors of Putin.Zyuganov has popularity among the Moscow and St.Petersburg youth who are nostalgic about communism. Putin has support base in the older generation who want stability .

Medvedvev is a rising star in united Russia.Were it not for his weak foreign policy ,.Putin would have been gone and reduced to maybe a professor or MD in Gazprom/Rosneft.

reply to post by ludwigvonmises003

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Ludwig, I always curious whether or not the cold war was truly over. As we see my government and NATO are attacking special interests such as Lybia and possibly Syria and Iran, What is the truth between the animosity between the US and Russia. Also after the end of the Soviet Union where did the Bolsheviks go? Is it true that the fall of The Soviet Union was due to the expelling of the Bolsheviks and some of them came here to the US as government officials ? Sorry for the questions, I'm just curious about this topic.

reply to post by Quetzalcoatl12

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Bolsheviks infiltrated our govt and started leaving Russia since Stalin attempted to purge them.They know that America had industrial capacity to enable their plans to be a success.They infiltrated NATO and created EUSSR and USSA.God,the West is in for terrible times as the communist cancer has embedded itself to the West. Russia cut off that cancer and that cancer went to usa. Even Peter Beter on his radio show tried to warn that Kremlin was kicking the Bolsheviks out and america was being inflitrated by Bolsheviks

People in america are blind to the internal communist threat,Russia is capitalist and has exorcised Communism and is not threat.But the american people were blind and relate Russia to commies ,while commie elite infltrated NATO and US govt.

Originally posted by ludwigvonmises003
reply to post by sonnny1

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I am going to be voting this year.

Russia,India,or USA????

Or all the above?

reply to post by sonnny1

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united Russia. For capitalism and lasse-fairz and 13% flat tax which america could never give mebut Russia gave me . I am a rich man today.

An insider's account of vote rigging for Putin

MOSCOW (AP) - The election official had a problem. Workers at his polling station had been stuffing ballot boxes with votes for Vladimir Putin's party all day, he says, but when the votes were counted United Russia still didn't have enough.
So he huddled with the election commission he chaired at the Moscow precinct. The decision: Putin's party would get the desired 65 percent. One member objected, but relented when the others tossed his Communist Party a few dozen votes.

The commission chairman spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity for fear of losing his job. He also said he could be punished for disobeying orders to report any contact with foreign observers or journalists to the FSB, the successor to the Soviet-era KGB.

His account closely matches reports by independent observers of rampant vote-rigging during Sunday's election, in which United Russia maintained its majority in parliament. Amateur videos posted on the Internet also appeared to show falsified ballots spilling out of boxes at polling stations.

Apparently someone forgot to tell these guys to claim they were influenced by foreign governments and not Putin.

For those still not convinced -

Amateur videos claiming to show the vote being rigged have spread via social media networks, including one in which the chairman of an election commission is filling out a stack of ballots. The clip attracted so much attention that city election officials were forced to acknowledge that the chairman had been caught falsifying the vote and could face charges.

Dr. Mr. Putin -

On the off chance you didn't get the memo - Its no longer 1987

Originally posted by ludwigvonmises003
reply to post by Quetzalcoatl12

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Bolsheviks infiltrated our govt and started leaving Russia since Stalin attempted to purge them.They know that America had industrial capacity to enable their plans to be a success.They infiltrated NATO and created EUSSR and USSA.God,the West is in for terrible times as the communist cancer has embedded itself to the West. Russia cut off that cancer and that cancer went to usa. Even Peter Beter on his radio show tried to warn that Kremlin was kicking the Bolsheviks out and america was being inflitrated by Bolsheviks

People in america are blind to the internal communist threat,Russia is capitalist and has exorcised Communism and is not threat.But the american people were blind and relate Russia to commies ,while commie elite infltrated NATO and US govt.

So it sounds to me The Bolsheviks want revenge against Russia and our so called "War on Terror" was/is a grandiose plan to not only usurp Americans freedoms but to also end Russia period, is this a fair assement ? The cold war transformed into a Colder War, as we now see the plan taking shape. They want Syria and Iran because it will hurt Russia, like Lybia. BTW Im familiar with Peter Beter's radio show, very intriging and yet scary.

reply to post by Xcathdra

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AP .Western media. Call me when you have unbiased sources.And you are a municipal officer,part of american bureaucracy.So like why should I trust an american govt officials rants ?

reply to post by Quetzalcoatl12

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whos Peter Beter ? What are his credentials?

Originally posted by mkgandhas
reply to post by Xcathdra

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AP .Western media. Call me when you have unbiased sources.And you are a municipal officer,part of american bureaucracy.So like why should I trust an american govt officials rants ?

edit on 7-12-2011 by mkgandhas because: (no reason given)

At least his rants make sense. Yours talk about an american conspiracy to overthrow dictators who supported the US agenda for many years, and that the US cleared out Mubarak so that the Muslim Brotherhood could come to power. Also, you refer to the brotherhood as being run out of turkey, which I can find no reference to.

I would rather listen to a bureaucrat who makes sense and makes logical conclusions than someone like you who seemingly believes that the United States and the CIA influences your bowel movements.

reply to post by steppenwolf86

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hmm...
read this telegraph article on US govt secretly backing egyptian protestors

www.telegraph.co.uk... html

alexandravaliente.wordpress.com...

Like I said stop spouting propaganda.And mind your language.

someone like you who seemingly believes that the United States and the CIA influences your bowel movements.

ad hominems

reply to post by mkgandhas

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Broken link on the first one. As for the second... wow, seems credible. Hah.

How do I spew propaganda, and even if I did, how is it ANY different from the nonsensical conspiracies you post. By the way, if the US engineered the fall of Mubarak, why? And if they did, why would they stop there and not manipulate the election results as well? What does the US have to gain by putting in a new government that would potentially withdraw from its peace treaty with Israel?

reply to post by steppenwolf86

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simply because arab spring will reduce national power of the arab govts in my opinion and enable Western interference in the name of islamic terrorism.Obama met with muslim brotherhood

www.haaretz.com...

USA behind Egyptian revolution:
www.telegraph.co.uk... www.deathandtaxesmag.com...

ANY different from the nonsensical conspiracies you post

But still there's evidence for it.

What does the US have to gain by putting in a new government that would potentially withdraw from its peace treaty with Israel?

That seems like political posturing to me for the consumption of masses.Israel could wipe out middle east in a blink of the eye.

edit on 7-12-2011 by mkgandhas because: (no reason given)

reply to post by mkgandhas

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Oh, and now on topic, now a certain former Russian politician is calling for new elections.

edition.cnn.com...

Mikhail Gorbachev, the last Soviet leader, called Wednesday for new parliamentary elections in Russia over concerns about vote fraud.
"Mikhail Gorbachev is very concerned about how the situation in Russia is developing," spokesman Pavel Palezhchenko told CNN. "People don't believe that the will of the people is reflected in the results."
He confirmed a report by the Russian news agency Interfax, which quoted the former premier as saying the elections were unfair and new elections were needed.

Originally posted by mkgandhas
reply to post by Xcathdra

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AP .Western media. Call me when you have unbiased sources.And you are a municipal officer,part of american bureaucracy.So like why should I trust an american govt officials rants ?

edit on 7-12-2011 by mkgandhas because: (no reason given)

What media source then is valid to you? You and others like to play this game, complaining about western media, yet you never explain what sources you find credible.

So please, tell me what media source is valid to you.

Secondly, please learn the structure of our government. Bineg a municipal officers has absolutely nothing to do with the Federal government or foreign policy. Yet another reason your comments about the US make no sense. Wouldnt it be easier to slam us if you had a basic understanding of how our government works?

As with Middle Eastern governments, namely Syria and Iran, Putin is pulling the smae play out of the book. Things dont go their way, their citizens get pissed, so they blame the west. Since you cant have indepentdant thought in those places, and since media is restrcited to those that only support the government, the citizens only see one side of the issue.

Unlike the Us where not only can I access Western Media, I can access Russian, Iranian, Syrian , Chinese media sources as well.

If western media is nothing but propoganda, are you suggesting people in Russia and Iran and Syria are so severely mentally retarded that they cant choose for themselves on what media is valid and whats not? It doesnt say much about the people who live in those countries does it?

It says even more about the Russian / Iranian / Syrian etc governments and how they view their own citizens mental abilities. Or are those government just scared of their citizens discovering the truth about their own governments?

sad really....

reply to post by Xcathdra

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Sir, Please see this :


Israeli observers have called the elections fair and free:

Israel FM touts Russia elections as ‘free and fair’ Tags: Russian-Israeli relations, Russian parliamentary elections , World, Russia, News, Politics Dec 7, 2011 21:28 Moscow Time Photo: RIA Novosti Print Email Add to blog Israel’s Foreign Minister and Deputy Prime Minister Avigdor Lieberman said on Wednesday that he fully shares Israeli observers’ touting Russia’s State Duma elections as free and fair. The topic was high on the agenda of Lieberman’s talks with Russian Prime Ministr Vladimir Puitn in Moscow on Wednesday. “Israel was keeping an eagle eye on the latest events in Russia”, Lieberman said, referring to the presence in Russia of Israeli observers who “know perfectly well how ballots are being counted.” He quoted Israeli observers as saying that the December 4 elections in Russia were “free, fair and democratic.” (TASS)
english.ruvr.ru...

Israeli Leaders have stated that israeli observers have found it fair and transparent:

Lieberman: Russia elections were fair and democratic Foreign Minister meets with Putin in Moscow, discusses Mideast security matters and urges him not to support unilateral steps by Palestinians at UN. By Barak Ravid and Reuters Tags: Avigdor Lieberman Syria Iran Hezbollah Hamas Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman met with Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin in Moscow on Wednesday, and said that he believes the recent elections in Russia were fair and democratic, the Russian news agency Itar-Tass reported. According to the report, Lieberman said that he shares the view of the Israeli observers who oversaw the election in Russia, who said they were fair and democratic. The elections, which were recently described by U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton as neither free nor fair, resulted with Putin's United Russia party winning less than 50 percent of Sunday's vote – a steep fall from its earlier two-thirds majority. Visiting Moscow as part of an annual economic cooperation summit between Israel and Russia, Lieberman spoke to Putin about the situation in Syria and Iran, and about the role of Hezbollah and Hamas in the region.
www.haaretz.com...

Statement of Foreign Observers:

Foreign observers consider Russian elections legitimate
Topic: Russian Parliamentary elections 2011 (140 documents)
Tags: Russian parliamentary elections , Russian Parliamentary elections 2011, World, Russia, News, Politics


Dec 5, 2011 16:13 Moscow Time
Photo: RIA Novosti

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The parliamentary elections in Russia were legitimate, the head of the mission of observers from the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) Tiny Kox declared at a press-conference in Moscow.

He said that in general the elections complied with the Russian law and European standards.

However, observers from the OSCE and PACE registered some violations in the procedure of counting votes, planting ballots at some polling stations and interference with the observers’ work.

Independent experts also watched the elections process. Their coordinator Mateusz Piskorski reported that 88% of questionnaires estimate the elections as “very good”, 10% “good” and 2% “satisfactory”.

He said that criticism mostly concerned technical issues and that certain individual drawbacks did not have a crucial bearing on the elections returns.
english.ruvr.ru...

Yes, there was interference by russian authorities and violations in procedures according to OSCE and PACE,but mass fraud was not existent.While the law obliges advertising organizations to treat electoral contestants equally,many political parties reported problems in getting access to billboard space due to political reasons.. For instance,KPRF complained that local contractors often did not provide the billboard space in many regions,considering that United Russia has fears over rising popularity of the communists.Also major problem was that Media was either United Russia,KPRF or LDPR favoured. The remainder parties were not given consideration.

Originally posted by ludwigvonmises003
.......Israel FM touts Russia elections as ‘free and fair’. Israel’s Foreign Minister and Deputy Prime Minister Avigdor Lieberman said on Wednesday that he fully shares Israeli observers’ touting Russia’s State Duma elections as free and fair.

Who is Avigdor Liebman?

Avigdor Lieberman (Hebrew: אביגדור ליברמן‎, IPA: [aviɡˈdor ˈliberman], (audio) (help·info); born Evet Lvovich Liberman (Russian: Эве́т Льво́вич Ли́берман))[1] is a Soviet-born Israeli politician. He is currently Member of the Knesset, Israeli Minister of Foreign Affairs and Deputy Prime Minister of Israel. He is the founder and leader of the Yisrael Beiteinu party, whose electoral base are the immigrants from the former Soviet Union.[2]

Nope no potential bias there.

The source - RUVR -

Voice of Russia (Russian: Голос России) is the Russian government's international radio broadcasting service owned by the All-Russia State Television and Radio Company. Its predecessor Radio Moscow was the official international broadcasting station of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

Nope, no bias there either.

Originally posted by ludwigvonmises003
Israeli Leaders have stated that israeli observers have found it fair and transparent:

The article does not say anything about any Israeli leaders finding it fair. The article only covers Leibermans comments and no one elses from the government.

Originally posted by ludwigvonmises003
Statement of Foreign Observers:

Foreign observers consider Russian elections legitimate

The parliamentary elections in Russia were legitimate, the head of the mission of observers from the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) Tiny Kox declared at a press-conference in Moscow.

He said that in general the elections complied with the Russian law and European standards.

However, observers from the OSCE and PACE registered some violations in the procedure of counting votes, planting ballots at some polling stations and interference with the observers’ work.

Independent experts also watched the elections process. Their coordinator Mateusz Piskorski reported that 88% of questionnaires estimate the elections as “very good”, 10% “good” and 2% “satisfactory”.

He said that criticism mostly concerned technical issues and that certain individual drawbacks did not have a crucial bearing on the elections returns.
english.ruvr.ru...

ok

Originally posted by ludwigvonmises003
Yes, there was interference by russian authorities and violations in procedures according to OSCE and PACE,but mass fraud was not existent.While the law obliges advertising organizations to treat electoral contestants equally,many political parties reported problems in getting access to billboard space due to political reasons.. For instance,KPRF complained that local contractors often did not provide the billboard space in many regions,considering that United Russia has fears over rising popularity of the communists.Also major problem was that Media was either United Russia,KPRF or LDPR favoured. The remainder parties were not given consideration.

Then the accusation against the US are baseless since there was no major issues. When you get time check up on the locations the "observers" were at and how many were deployed.

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