Originally posted by scoobdude
Link for proof? Don't spread gospel as fact unless you have the facts to back up your gospel.

How many people were crippled or killed by polio or Hib before vaccination?
How many people were crippled or killed by polio or Hib vaccinations?

You will find that one number is very large, and the other number is very small. If you want sources, feel free to consult VAERS, the WHO, the CDC, PubMed, or the memory of any person who lived in the civilized world before vaccination or in certain regions of the developing world today. The idea that these vaccines have caused more harm than good over the past several decades is so absurd on its face that it does not merit a detailed refutation; I can safely place it in the same orbit as the idea that the moon is made of green cheese.

Originally posted by cconn487
For the past week I've been using ATS every day buffing up on alternative news. Seeing more and more threads on how screwed we really are is beginning to frighten me a little.

Talk about events to family members and all I get is laughs and getting called crazy. Funny how people, even when shown proof, can still be blinded into thinking their lives are safe. Because you know, we're getting rid of all those terrorists. Sorry but a war on terror will never end. Its an unattainable goal. Hell, most of the terror is fabricated by a select few anyways.

Truly scary about Vaccines. I won't be getting any in the foreseeable future either. Just like all these commercials I see from time to time when I bring myself to watch tv. You took this drug? Oh well this can cause -insert random affliction- call now for compensation.

Funny how so many "helpful" drugs out there are debilitating people more than the affliction they are trying to cure!

What's really going to make you queasy is when you realize there is nothing you can do about it and when you talk to your friends and family about the issues that you uncover here, they look at you like you are crazy.

Welcome to the club!

Originally posted by FurvusRexCaeli

Originally posted by scoobdude
Link for proof? Don't spread gospel as fact unless you have the facts to back up your gospel.

How many people were crippled or killed by polio or Hib before vaccination?
How many people were crippled or killed by polio or Hib vaccinations?

You will find that one number is very large, and the other number is very small. If you want sources, feel free to consult VAERS, the WHO, the CDC, PubMed, or the memory of any person who lived in the civilized world before vaccination or in certain regions of the developing world today. The idea that these vaccines have caused more harm than good over the past several decades is so absurd on its face that it does not merit a detailed refutation; I can safely place it in the same orbit as the idea that the moon is made of green cheese.

I can counter that with such sayings as autism has gone up quite a bit since our kids have been required to take an increasing number of vaccines. Or lets not forget that the old sv40 has been linked to cancer. Or the numerous cases of death linked to gardisil.

And in regards to disease numbers dwindling due to vaccines....the rates were already in decline BEFORE vaccines were introduced. Hygiene and diet play a major factor in controlling out breaks. And to use your term, it is also absurd to think the human race survived without vaccines for an often argued amount of time on this planet.

And again I say, you are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

P.s. how does a newborn get hib?