ACARS Confirms 9/11 UA 175 Aircraft Was Airborne Long After Crash! Just WOW!

reply to post by ProudBird

The entire crux of the claims from the "source" is bogus. The claim that the time-stamp on the bottom of each of those ACARS data spurts is the "acknowledge" by the airplane.

Says whom, do you have a source for this information?

It is more likely the ARINC system itself that is acknowledging the message from the airline's dispatch center.

It is more likely? Sources please? You assert your opinion as if you are some sort of authority on this topic and yet I don’t see any sources to back your claims, we are looking for proof, not just some opinions

I love how someone who believes the OS, who never discovered building 7 collapsed on 9/11. who never knew of dancing israelis.. who never heard of abel danger.. who never heard of majority of events surrounding that day, are 100% right.. whereas someone who knows of these things, who questions the goings on around them and in this case are extremely delusional...

Your a jerk if you deny someone investigating, or looking into the event as if something else happened... Not one person on this forum who believes the )S have a clue what really happened that day, yet to question it is delusional? man... I swear the whole world fell off their rockers..


Thank you OP for providing us with information that the OSers have been trying to suppress.

reply to post by boymonkey74


Great find OP, S&F for you.

ACARS isn't a cell phone, it is an installed system on the plane that sends a receives text messages from other airplanes and ground communications, if flight systems are not functional, ACARS is not functional.

If Flight 175 had crashed at 1303 UTC, then it would have been impossible for it to acknowledge receipt of a ACARS message at 1323 UTC.


For those of you who don't know, ACARS is as close to instant as you can get, all messages sent are either acknowledged or nonacknowledged within 2 minutes of sending. This ain't a cell phone, it is a very important communication tool between aircraft and ground.

DDLXCXA CHIYR CH158R
.CHIYRUA 111303/AD
CMD
AN N612UA/GL MDT
- QUCHIYRUA 1UA175 BOSLAX
- MESSAGE FROM CHIDD -
NY APROACH LOOKIN FOR YA ON 127.4
CHIDD AD ROGERS

;09111303 108575 0546

(Emphasis is mine) These time stamps tell the tale, the first shows transmission @ 1303 UTC, the second shows acknowledgement of receipt @ 1303 UTC. This would not be possible if the plane had crashed at 0903 UTC.

reply to post by vipertech0596


Calls don't get "stuck in the switch", only text messages. If a call is made and doesn't go through immediately, it will not come through later.

I just read the rest of the thread and found out what ACARS is. So cell phone tech is irrelevant to this thread from what I can see.

reply to post by ProudBird


ProudBird, I won't call BS on you because you apparently have more knowledge of civilian ACARS than I do. My comments were based on the Military equivalent system which is fairly rapid and the second timestamp is the receiving stations acknowledgement. If I am wrong with the civilian version, my bad.

Originally posted by vipertech0596
This isn't new. It was discussed on here long ago, and shown to be just another flawed attempt by the charlatans bent on making a living off of the gullible folks that believe in their ravings.

Side note, but still related to 9/11... For a couple of days after, people were getting phone calls from their loved ones that had died in the Towers. The system was storing calls that couldn't get through that day and sending them later when the system wasn't as tied up....and each time, the family would call the authorities to say that their loved one must still be alive, just trapped.

So my call doesn't go through, but I pretend like it did and have a full conversation with my loved one, knowing the system will store it and replay it for my loved one when the call can go through........
Wow, wake up from fantasy land will ya!

Originally posted by vipertech0596
This isn't new. It was discussed on here long ago, and shown to be just another flawed attempt by the charlatans bent on making a living off of the gullible folks that believe in their ravings.

Side note, but still related to 9/11... For a couple of days after, people were getting phone calls from their loved ones that had died in the Towers. The system was storing calls that couldn't get through that day and sending them later when the system wasn't as tied up....and each time, the family would call the authorities to say that their loved one must still be alive, just trapped.

humor me, send me a link. If someone had a conversation with their deceased spouse--Im interested to know more

Come on people. No planes hit the Towers. Of course this blows your mind right? We watched them hit the Towers didn't we?
Find me 12 reliable witnesses in a city of Millions who can say "I saw the planes hit the towers."
YOU CAN"T
If I win the Lotto. I will post an ad offering $1M to anyone who can gather 10 Private video's of a Plane hitting either tower. In a city watching everything unfold, was MILLIONS of cell phones....ALL focused on what was going down. Find me 10. Again, you won't be able to.

CGI

Why does the Military need it's own CGI specialists? Does the movie 'Wag the Dog' ring a Bell? It might as well be called 'Wag a Nation'

www.911hoax.com...

"But, What about the Passengers, & Crew you idiot!?" You'll figure that out on your own eventually........

another huge question that gets ignored or spun. i love how people claim they know exactly what happened and then claim anyone who raises a question is somehow stupid or crazy.

how do you not at least question the os when there are so many unlikely events?so you ignore the twin towers collapsing on their own footprint as some math fluke. then you just ignore building 7 or documented evidence of a pentagon with only a 16 foot hole where an entire plane is suppossed to have entered.or outright coincidences that no sane person would not question, like the exact same day terrorist drill on 9/11 or the same m.o. in london.7/7

dont get me wrong i have no idea what happened but to not question the government? really? your kidding?? do you need a history lesson?? do you believe all men are good and there is no such thing as evil??? ohh wait i know you have documented proof that our government has never lied or committed an act of evil??? or do you believe that your infallible and everyone else is an idiot?

please read some history not taught to you by the system and learn how often our governtment lies to the american people. our government is pawned/corrupt/unconstitutional/evil time and time again but on 9/11 they were just minding their bussines and totaly looking out for us(sarcasm)

Originally posted by vipertech0596

Side note, but still related to 9/11... For a couple of days after, people were getting phone calls from their loved ones that had died in the Towers. The system was storing calls that couldn't get through that day and sending them later when the system wasn't as tied up....and each time, the family would call the authorities to say that their loved one must still be alive, just trapped.

Can you give us a source for this? My understanding of the way the cell system works doesn't allow for that to be the case. With SMS messages there's a TTL (Time To Live) tag that determines how long the network should keep trying to deliver the message but no system like that exists for calls.

If I try to call and the network can't connect me then it just drops the call. There's no mechanism to "store" calls then try to connect them later so what you've said doesn't make any sense.

I'm, as always, happy to be corrected if I'm wrong.

reply to post by citizen3273676Well stated, citizen. They have got to be gobstruck by this latest bombshell. No real person could hold their position after all we've learned about that day. It's obvious to the most casual observer that they are here to do no good. As an earlier poster said, the omission alone is indefensible, so all those who attempt to debunk this will be branded by it. Oh what a wicked web we weave...

reply to post by jsmappy


I always outright dismissed the "no planes" theory, it sounded mad to me because I watched the planes hit on the TV (so it muuuuust be true).

If this is true and United 175 really did receive an ACARS message *after* it hit the buildings then a whole new 9/11 rabbit hole just opened up in front of me. Thats. Not. Possible.

If the plane was still at altitude *after* it was supposed to have hit the South Tower then what did we watch hit the tower? Sorry for 'typing-out-loud' but this has knocked me sideways a bit. It seems genuine but impossible.

The ACARS altitudes are interesting too, plus the fact that the message was routed through the wrong ground station if the plane was even close to the WTC complex.

For those who've been talking about text messages... the ACARS system isn't a simple SMS messaging service, this has nothing to do with mobile phone messages to the passengers.

reply to post by TrueAmerican


Sometimes when I turn off my phone, then turn it on, I receive a txt message I know was sent hours earlier, but the received data says it was now.


Ergo.


This is not proof.

Originally posted by citizen3273676


how do you not at least question the os when there are so many unlikely events?so you ignore the twin towers collapsing on their own footprint as some math fluke.

How do you think that happened when it clearly didn't? Even most Truthers now claim that the evidence for demo is in the fact that the towers did NOT land in their footprints, and that debris was blown away from them. I can only assume that you get your information from Conspiracy sites that haven't been updated since about 2006.

then you just ignore building 7 or documented evidence of a pentagon with only a 16 foot hole where an entire plane is suppossed to have entered.or outright coincidences that no sane person would not question, like the exact same day terrorist drill on 9/11 or the same m.o. in london.7/7

I don't know who "ignores" building 7. Or anyone who believes the nonsense about a 16ft hole any more. And the "same day terror drill" stuff is old hat too.

dont get me wrong i have no idea what happened but to not question the government? really? your kidding?? do you need a history lesson?? do you believe all men are good and there is no such thing as evil??? ohh wait i know you have documented proof that our government has never lied or committed an act of evil??? or do you believe that your infallible and everyone else is an idiot?

Why does one need to be a Truther in order to question the government? I think the US govt is packed with the most venal, avaricious b+trds who've ever lived. I think they covered up their gross failing on and before 9/11 and used it as a pretext to launch idiotic acts of aggression. But I don't think they chucked a missile into the Pentagon or used super silent bombs planted in two days to bring down the towers. I think people who do are the naive ones.

reply to post by gamesmaster63


gamesmaster, in your post above, where the ACARS message info was re-posted.....the time at the top was when it was entered by the dispatcher.
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The time at the bottom is when it was processed by ARINC, and sent to the airplane. That time and date acknowledges that the ground network "received" the message from the customer (the airline's Dispatch), and then transmitted it out to the airplane.

Sorry if I'm repeating anybody's points but these are two good sources to also explain just what ACARS is.

911woodybox.blogspot.com...

911woodybox.blogspot.com...

On January 28, 2002, Michael J. Winter of United Airlines was interviewed by the FBI to help them with the interpretation of the ACARS messages. The full FBI report is appended at the end of this article and can also be looked here

www.911myths.com...

Mr. Winter explained the Aircraft Condition and Reporting System ACARS uses radio ground stations (RGS) at various locations throughout the United States for communication. The messages from the aircraft utilize the RGS in a downlink operating system. A central router determines the strongest signal received from the aircraft and routes the signal/message to UAL flight dispatch. In other words: if the message denotes (for example) PIT, this means that the Pittsburgh RGS has received the strongest signal and that the plane is in the vicinity of Pittsburgh (usually up to 70 miles, depending on the distance to other RGS's).

Distance between NY and Pittsburgh - 317 miles

Hope that helps.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by TrueAmerican

 

Sometimes when I turn off my phone, then turn it on, I receive a txt message I know was sent hours earlier, but the received data says it was now.

Ergo.

This is not proof.

Read the source.

This thread isn't about SMS text messages on a mobile phone.

ACARS is a completely different system for aircraft to route messages via VHF ground stations.

It's for weather, system (FDAMS) and flight operations communications.

Anyone that's talking about SMS text messages to passengers obviously hasn't read the source. What's the point in posting if you haven't read the article?

Come on people.

While there are many items that have alternate explanations and may or may not point to a conspiracy about 9-11, possibly the strongest conspiracy indicator was the USA Patriot Act. 9-11 occurred on September 11, 2001. The US Patriot act was introduced to the House on October 23, 2001. ..... FORTY TWO DAYS later..... Imagine trying to piece that act together in 42 days. It was signed into law October 26, 2001 by President Bush. YUP! Only THREE days later. Tell me about conspiracies.

I believe that act was in the works for a year or probably longer, and that its submission was just waiting for the golden opportunity of 9-11 or something similar. Who wrote that act.? In fact, I ask who writes any of these acts? Please ask yourself that question. Do the Congressmen and Senators and their staff get together behind closed doors to write these acts. I sincerely doubt it. My guess is that they are created by the thousands of people who work for the CIA and other black op agencies. Then someone slides them under the door of congress during the middle of the night. I know if I stuck such an act under the door of congress, it would be ignored. It takes a certain type of power to get such acts to be sponsored and acted upon so quickly.

Since then lots of acts have been introduced, many passing, that have additionally eroded the freedoms in the US Constitution Bill of Rights. I expect more.

reply to post by Gorman91


This is really basic communication protocol mechanisms called ACK/NAK and your cable modem is using it at this very moment to communicate with your ISP.
Your network card is also using this handshaking protocol mechanism to communicate with your cable modem and/or your LAN.

As with any electrical device it is incapable of processing messages when it is NOT powered.

This is why this IS evidence of UA175 having been airborne after the crash.

Simply put , As exemplified with your phone example, the plane's system couldn't have received the messages AND confirmed them as received indicated by the second timestamp, if the ACARS system wasn't fully functioning.

Plain and Simple.

reply to post by TrickoftheShade


really? you know what i meant ,two buildings collapsed in what appears to be a controlled demolition an incredibly rare event that happened a third time with building seven an even more incredibly rare event

old hat? still an incredibly mathmaticaly odd coincidence at least?? you cant find a documented picture of the pentagon with only a 16 foot hole for a full 30 minutes after impact? you can document something else? you were an eye witness? your omnicient and any one who questions the integrity/actions of our government is naive?????

my point is i have questions i made no claims as to what did happen. imo to say you know what did or did not happen is incredibly more naive than to question all these strange occrurences???? though im glad to meet someone who knows exactly what happened that the mere asking a question is naive.