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posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 11:46 AM
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This info isn’t anything really new. With the progress they have made militarily in every other area, it’s no surprise that they would also start stock piling more nukes.


My father worked for Honey Well Research Facilities back in the 70’s and 80’s. Also worked many years with World Aero Space. He spent a great deal of time working/creating circuit boards for military platforms. One time I ask him about the weaponry our military possessed. He didn’t say much, only that your average everyday Joe knew only about 10% of what we really had. I couldn’t help but think how small I was in the scheme of things.

The fact of the matter is this:

Our military is VERY AWARE of what China has and their intentions. And what they manage to obtain from our military isn’t anything new. If they’re looking to get the “real-neat-up-to-date stuff”, for every firewall they manage to get thru, they have to get passed another 100 to follow. And if you do manage to get thru the first firewall, they will have your location pinpointed in a matter of seconds. We let them find their way to certain info to keep them distracted from the important stuff. We are decades ahead of them militarily. There is no doubt in my mind about that. I’m not saying we should not be scared of China. They are a growing threat. If they are running low on the basics for their 1.2 billion people, they will eventually need to get it from somewhere. I don’t believe it will be America though.

Than you have to take into consideration the guns Americans own.
(Reuters) - The United States has 90 guns for every 100 citizens, making it the most heavily armed society in the world. U.S. citizens own 270 million of the world's 875 million known firearms, according to the Small Arms Survey 2007 by the Geneva-based Graduate Institute of International Studies. If the Chinese think for one second that Americans are going to go down without a fight, they have another thing coming.

There will be nowhere to hide if nuclear war does take place. You might be able to escape the initial blast, but you will not be able to avoid the radiation. If it does happen, I’m going to take a lawn chair up top my home with a 6 pack of Killians, and then sit back and enjoy the view.





posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 12:03 PM
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If nuclear war does become imminent, I think our alien friends will disarm them before they even lift up off the ground.

American and British missile disarmed.

Amazing!! UfO shoots down American Missile

The Minot AFB B-52 UFO Incident



posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 12:13 PM
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LMAO!!!!!!!




Originally posted by Propulsion
If nuclear war does become imminent, I think our alien friends will disarm them before they even lift up off the ground.

American and British missile disarmed.

Amazing!! UfO shoots down American Missile

The Minot AFB B-52 UFO Incident



posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 12:13 PM
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Originally posted by boymonkey74
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Great post and I humbly stand corrected based on the info you provided

But I think we can both agree that if total nuclear war happened we would be in a pretty bad way, it would effect us all and none in a good way.


Absolutely! I don't mean to imply that nuclear war is a good thing - NO war is. It's much better to speak against something from a position of solid strength, however, with a firm knowledge base, so that there is no way to refute one's words and impeach his testimony. This is doubly important with something as serious as nuclear war.



One thing the reports don't mention though are the psychological effects of a nuclear war, I do think if it ever happened you would get millions of the survivors just topping themselves or just killing each other because it truly would break our minds and spirits.


There's no doubt about that. The reports were written by physicists, and psychological considerations were not adequately addressed. Those reports were written in 1977 and 1979. The physics have not changed, but IMO the psychology HAS changed since then, so even if they had addressed psychology, it would be out of date by now. People around here at least seem to be psychologically weaker in general than they were then. There are probably still some around who could handle it mentally, but not as many as before, and there's no sane reason they should be subjected to such.

I'm not sure how things are in the UK these days, but people in general in the US seem to expect more from others and less from themselves than they ever have before, and that''s a recipe for disaster. I have grave doubts that China is plagued with that problem. In the US, when those expectations are not met, or the people somehow feel "let down", it could get ugly, quick. The nuclear aspect of the war would probably be the least of our worries, really.

Existence in the aftermath would be FAR worse to cope with.



I was trying to imagine if bombs had destroyed great city's like London,Manchester and not so great one's like Birmingham
(UK here) all the history, all the art all the ladies gone... no goverment for months maybe, fear of another attack, fear of radiation,fear of food being contaminated, fear of my fellow man ...I dont know if many people could hack it, especially if your stuck in such a small country.

Sod it I hope I just see a bright light and burn in an instant I think its better than living.

Cheers BM xx


I've heard that argument before, and I can't fault it - it's what you feel, after all, and it's not my place to assess that. I am just the other way. I've lived through some fairly horrendous stuff, and the one thing I've come out the other side with is a firm will to live. The worse it gets, the stronger my resolve gets. It's not a matter of a fear of death, it's more a matter of stubbornness. I get mad, and that drives me onward. That's my own psychology, and I don't expect anyone else to follow suit, although a percentage probably will.



PS Just an after thought but after the bombs had dropped would the war be over? or would we see surviving army's try and take over place's with untouched resources? It may go on for years...


I personally think the bombing would only be the beginning. Things would be relatively quiet and filled with psychological shocks for the first couple of weeks or months, but as the radiation levels fell off accordingly with the Rules of Sevens, people would start coming out, venturing forth, and finding some absolutely horrendous, mind-numbing things. People would be pitted against one another more likely than not during that period.

When levels fell enough to field armies into the destruction zones, there would be that additional annoyance to deal with, and paradoxically, perhaps, that would be the most likely thing to get people to stop fighting each other and concentrate on the common enemy.

Some countries would be sending aid through altruistic motives, some would be sending "aid" through ulterior motives. That aid would likely be accompanied by military escorts, which some would view as a threat, The attacking country, assuming they had enough surviving infrastructure themselves, would likely be sending troops of their own, for entirely different purposes.

All in all, it would amount to a huge cluster-f**k, or what is known as a "Chinese Fire Drill".

There's always the potential for an EMP attack using nukes at high altitude to generate the EMP. That would be worse, perhaps. It would not produce any fallout at all, and the nuclear aspects of the explosions would be negligible, if at all existent. What it WOULD do is cripple infrastructure that it would take YEARS to replace, even without a ground war.



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posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 12:34 PM
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Originally posted by Propulsion

There will be nowhere to hide if nuclear war does take place. You might be able to escape the initial blast, but you will not be able to avoid the radiation. If it does happen, I’m going to take a lawn chair up top my home with a 6 pack of Killians, and then sit back and enjoy the view.



That sort of thinking will get people killed who would otherwise have lived. It fosters a "resistance is futile" mindset.

Misery loves company, I guess.



posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 12:51 PM
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Puts on his Dusty rarely used tinfoil hat...

This thread has been an eye opener. neno have you noticed how on many MANY previous threads the US got grilled alive for having a large Nuclear stockpile which shows that it's a warmongering nation meanwhile, back at the ranch {And Reality} when a story like this breaks... Now, All of sudden the prevailing attitude is

Meh!.
Who cares about how many Nukes anybody has...



posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 01:45 PM
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Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by Propulsion

There will be nowhere to hide if nuclear war does take place. You might be able to escape the initial blast, but you will not be able to avoid the radiation. If it does happen, I’m going to take a lawn chair up top my home with a 6 pack of Killians, and then sit back and enjoy the view.



That sort of thinking will get people killed who would otherwise have lived. It fosters a "resistance is futile" mindset.

Misery loves company, I guess.


So if I hang out in my basement other than the roof, I will be good to go? Do you believe people will actually live thru a full blown nuclear war? Maybe the big wigs hanging out in the comforts of their fallout shelters will survive, but unfortunately, most people don't have that option. I live in Denver at the moment, and am moving back up to Colorado Springs this next year to be closer to my mother who is having health problems. She lives about 10 miles from NORAD and the air force academy. You know as well as I do that Colorado Springs will be one of the first places they will blow to holy hell.

I’m sure if I just “duck-N-cover” like they do in those old black and white videos, I’ll be just fine? They didn’t have sun screen back then, so I think that will increase my odds of surviving as well? If I’m really quick about it, I might be able to find someone who has one of those old fashioned lead refrigerators to hide in. My mom does have a swimming pool. Maybe when the initial fire ball/blast wave hits, I can just hold my breath really long, and hang out at the bottom of the pool until it subsides.

Don't take offence to what I'm saying. just sheding some light on the subject. Kind of funny...



posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 01:48 PM
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Please, I know how to shoot them down without even firing one shot at them. It's called the Cloud-buster, very effective on neutralizing radioactive materials and making so that no other kind of engine or rocket can fly above your home.

Thank you, William Riech for your sacrifice to help the people.



posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 01:49 PM
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Yeah, I HAVE noticed that. Do you think it's ok now if we start rebuilding our nuclear arsenal since it's ok now, apparently, for everyone else on the planet to have big arsenals of them, too?

We could probably sell Little Kimmie and Yabba Dabba Jihad a few of the older ones out of what we replace, to get them up to par. People could stop griping about how Iran and North Korea are "entitled" to nukes (never mind those pesky non-proliferation treaties they signed), and everyone would be forced to LOVE the US finally for having nuclearly armed the entire planet!

It would be a win-win, no?



posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 02:10 PM
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I'm not worried at all - we have Chuck Norris. Gameover.



posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by Propulsion

So if I hang out in my basement other than the roof, I will be good to go?


Going by your posts, you seem to be a borderline suicidal sort. Who am I to mess that up for you? hang out wherever you want.



Do you believe people will actually live thru a full blown nuclear war?


Absolutely and beyond a shadow of a doubt. Those who are unprepared, and accidentally survive are going to be at a distinct disadvantage. Hell of a thing to survive a nuclear fireball only to be taken out by your friendly local cannibals, eh?



Maybe the big wigs hanging out in the comforts of their fallout shelters will survive, but unfortunately, most people don't have that option.


Well, them and, you know, the people who elected not to live under the crosshairs...



I live in Denver at the moment, and am moving back up to Colorado Springs this next year to be closer to my mother who is having health problems. She lives about 10 miles from NORAD and the air force academy. You know as well as I do that Colorado Springs will be one of the first places they will blow to holy hell.


Oh yeah. You're a goner. No doubt. Some of your neighbors will make it, though. Nuclear bombs are not magic bullets that kill by just looking at one. Personally, I like my own mom better than that. If she lived near the crosshairs, I'd be dragging her the hell out of there, kicking and screaming if it had to be that way. Fortunately, she elected not to live near to big fat nuclear targets.



I’m sure if I just “duck-N-cover” like they do in those old black and white videos, I’ll be just fine? They didn’t have sun screen back then, so I think that will increase my odds of surviving as well? If I’m really quick about it, I might be able to find someone who has one of those old fashioned lead refrigerators to hide in. My mom does have a swimming pool. Maybe when the initial fire ball/blast wave hits, I can just hold my breath really long, and hang out at the bottom of the pool until it subsides.


that would be borderline better than hugging the mushroom cloud, but do as you will.

Unless she's in Downtown Denver or right on the NORAD campus, the fireball wouldn't be a real concern. How long is it you're thinking the blast wave would last? How far is she from the most likely ground zero? Is the NORAD campus 10 miles away it? Have you any idea how strong the blast wave would even BE at her location? Just a ball park figure would suffice.

The formulae to determine it involves taking the cube root of the yield, and modifying it for an assumed blast height. Higher blast heights increase the blast radius to a point, where it starts decreasing again (imagine a sphere - as it gets higher, the section of it in contact with the ground gets smaller beyond a certain point). Conversely, higher burst height produce FAR less fallout (doesn't suck up as much debris to be irradiated in the cloud), so it's a trade-off. You can have one, or the other, but not maximization of both.

Yeah, it can be survived, without a doubt. As they say in business, it's all about location, location, location.



Don't take offence to what I'm saying. just sheding some light on the subject. Kind of funny...


No, I'm not offended. It's YOUR life to throw away, not mine. It seems a bit crass to insist on taking more than necessary with you by convincing them THEY should just give up and die, too.





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posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 02:25 PM
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I really don't think any of us can be 100% sure if they would want to live or die, I mean we can say "nope I would want to die" but if it happened the survival instinct may kick in. Also on the flip side I dont think we can say "Yes I would live on" because none of us have ever had the stress of what a nuclear war would bring.
Just wish I wasnt on an island which is 0.16% of the mass on the planet and on a massive one like Russia which has 11.5% of the total land mass

I could move but hey I love the UK



posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 03:27 PM
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Originally posted by boymonkey74
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Just wish I wasnt on an island which is 0.16% of the mass on the planet and on a massive one like Russia which has 11.5% of the total land mass

I could move but hey I love the UK



Seems the Chinese speech was a misdirection to me, they were talking about North America, Canada and Australia as having the land required for China's further expansion. Russia has the land and the minerial wealth. Sure the American military might stop their collection of the Pacific but as the man said they were really never interested in their Navy they have always been about land.

They could not hold the America's from such a distance, Russia is a near neighbour...
The speech itself may have been released by the West for their own military expansion aims.

Interesting days



posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 04:04 PM
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I agree with you fully, if it gets close to going down this path. The 4WD is packed and heading for the Simposon desert, the only thing worth targeting our there is Pine Gap lol



posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 04:37 PM
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we all know that if china actually fired one it would be using a iphone gps navigation system and apple would simply return it to sender.



posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 05:52 PM
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Proliferation is a bad word. Why not just shoot all the nukes in the world into random space, avoiding known celestial bodies of course!


The chance of hitting something is very small.
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posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 06:35 PM
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China has its first Aircraft Carrier. It was purchased "used" from the French. The US has had Aircraft Carriers since 1920. Do we really need any more than that to realize this China Threat is all a hoax.



posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by frenzy4444
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I agree with you fully, if it gets close to going down this path. The 4WD is packed and heading for the Simposon desert, the only thing worth targeting our there is Pine Gap lol


Most of the prevailing winds flow from west to east, so check to see what might be west of your hidey hole that they may be interested in nuking. Fallout may be a problem for anywhere from 15 to 30 days afterward, depending on whether it's a ground burst or not, how fast the winds are moving, and how much rain occurs to wash it out of the air before it gets to you.

Blast isn't an issue at all beyond around 40 miles away, even for the biggest nukes that exist.

In my opinion, Australia has a lot more to worry about from Chinese nukes than the US does. There are fewer people to subdue there, most have been mostly disarmed, it's closer to China, and has a lot of territory to expand into.

ETA: If you can find any of the volumes in the "Australian Guerrilla" series from WWII by Ion Idriess, they're worth their weight in gold for operations in Australia. I particularly recommend toe one titled "The Scout". I had a copy of it which got lost in a move, and I've not been able to find a replacement since. Being in Australia, you may have better luck, simply by checking second-hand book stores.



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posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 07:16 PM
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Originally posted by circuitsports
we all know that if china actually fired one it would be using a iphone gps navigation system and apple would simply return it to sender.


You may be saying that in jest, but in all seriousness I have some disguised surveillance cameras that were made in China from second-hand cell phone parts.


One thing they appear to be able to do well is find bright new uses for second hand junk!



posted on Dec, 1 2011 @ 07:22 PM
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China won't use nuclear weapons. If they use they will kill so many chinese scattered all over the world haha






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