OWS - Too Big To Fail

i read this and found it contains real truth
thought the members would love to read this,

An idea whose time has come resonates globally. November 17 marked two months since beginning in New York. Earlier Middle East and European protests inspired it. Now it's spreading everywhere across North and South America, Europe, Asia, Africa, and Oceania.

In America within weeks, hundreds of large and small cities in all 50 states got involved. Protesters weathered snow, rain, cold, pepper spray, tear gas, beatings, arrests, and evictions. Police confrontations, in fact, inspired larger turnouts.

Mother Jones magazine said participants represent "a horizontal, autonomous, leaderless, modified-consensus-based system with roots in anarchist thought." In fact, they're revolutionaries in the best sense of the term.

They've "tap(ped) into the rising feeling among many Americans that economic opportunity has been squashed by corporate greed and the influence of the very rich in politics."

One protester's sign read, "You can't shut down occupation - We're everywhere."

Another said, "You cannot evict an idea whose time has come."

Still another lifted high read, "OCCUPY EVERYTHING."

when professors start saying the things that are stated in this article i take notice

i will not say too much other than please read how OWS is transforming the nation
in a good way

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I see the Occupy Movement as resulting in one of two things:
1) American Civil War
2) Denial of Constitutional Rights to American Citizens

The Occupy movement is a good idea with a wrong execution. You want to change the system, good for you, so do I, but do it from the inside after you have proven your worth. You want to destroy the system, continue protesting, the cops will keep doing their jobs and enforcing security and the rights of ALL.

While you fight to bring down the 1%, I will keep supporting them because they provide me everything I want; a structured society. In return, I provide them with what they want; money.

Edit: Sure the economy is bad, sure I would love to live in the hey-days where credit flowed like water. But you know what, there are jobs out there. Work can be found. Money can be made. I may be a young-adult, but I am smart enough to see the oppurtunity so many claim is not there. I don't believe the Occupy movement want's to end greed, they just want a larger piece of the pie. What your entitled to is life, anything you do or don't do after that is up to you, but don't blame others for what you cannot accomplish.

//I do not claim to speak facts, only opinions.

Too big to fail?
So was the Titanic. It was unsinkable.
Don't forget about the Roman Empire.
And what ever happened to the USSR? America's biggest threat at the time.
Why would OWS be any different?

reply to post by XPLodER

Too Big To Fail

I wonder where I've heard that one before...

If you're trying to instill confidence.
You're doing it wrong...

its always a good thing for people to stand up or in most cases now to sit down.but realistically how much longer can the tptb allow such to continue. they will get the self righteous to start attacking in a counter revolution or maybe infiltrate the OWS to start discrediting it.

whatever may happen hopefully nothing to "weird" and the movement will get even bigger. watch out for the shills OWS because they are watching you

reply to post by SLAYER69


Coined by that other leftist movement and their leader who sits in the White House.

They should be saying "Too Clueless to succeed".

Seems like some people here fervently want ows to fail. Why the visceral anger and repudiation towards ows while giving the elite a pass for their genocidal wars and manufactured financial collapse? Why such an active, daily, almost militant effort here on ats against peaceful people risking life and limb to speak truth to power?

Perhaps a fair analogy to simplify a possible perspective?

1% see the snake head as being the 99%.
99% see the snake head as being the 1%.

We are the 100%:

Originally posted by Snoopy1978
Seems like some people here fervently want ows to fail. Why the visceral anger and repudiation towards ows while giving the elite a pass for their genocidal wars and manufactured financial collapse? Why such an active, daily, almost militant effort here on ats against peaceful people risking life and limb to speak truth to power?

edit on 21-11-2011 by Snoopy1978 because: (no reason given)

Slayer's prolly gonna sneak up on my six and whack me upside the head, but I have a tendency to want to support the OWS movement. The one problem they have is that their "leadership" is fractured, and their goals are unfocused. I read their list of demands a while back but I have yet to see anything more on it. It seems to me like it's devolved into a bunch of pissed off people who aren't sure where to direct their rage.

I think that kind of characterizes the OWS movement. People are PISSED OFF! Everyone is pissed off about something different. I'm pissed off the Obama took a giant # on the Constitution when he killed al-Awlaki; but I haven't heard word one about anything like that coming from OWS (or anyone else for that matter aside from The Judge.) Others might be pissed off because they lost their job or their house, that their mother has to decide between medicine and three meals a day, or that TSA agents are moving from airports to highways and bus terminals.

The point is, the system is BROKEN. I've been a Republican all of my life, and a Capitalist to boot. I've always felt that anyone who works hard should be able to enjoy the fruits of their labor; but recently I've begun to think, "How much do people really need?" When I see a vacuous airhead like Kim Kardashian spend over a million dollars on a fake wedding, Michael Moore's HUGE vacation estate, or Obama's Billion dollar campaign war chest; baby I'm ALL about "Tax the rich." I'm sorry, but when you're dumping a steaming chud into a solid gold toilet when there are starving children on the planet - even in our own country - then you ARE a huge steaming chud and you deserved to be taxed.

So how are we going to fix it? I don't have a clue. I'm pretty sure that electing Ron Paul is a step in the right direction though, if for no other reason than ending these insane wars and keeping us out of any more. We have no right being the world's policeman when we can't even keep our own house in order. Until then, I support at least the idea of OWS. People need to take to the streets and let the government know that we're "Mad as hell, and we're not going to take it any more!"

reply to post by XPLodER

Issues.
1. They have to be big first. Just claiming to represent 99percent does not automatically give them that right.
2. In order to fail, they have to have had a modicum of success first.
What have been their successes?

reply to post by OldCorp
did you just become the new OWS Only We Should rep? seems that you nailed it, what we the people are P!$$ed about

They can keep telling themselves that. Their message seems to have fallen on deaf ears? A small percentage of the general population actually supports this movement, but they would like everyone to believe that everyone is standing alongside them in solidarity.

They need to put a fork in this and come back with a little more organization and direction. What is the harm in that? Get people on the same page and develop some form of core agenda. This demonstration has not had that from the start. Everyone has read off of their own page, and that is why people are aloof to what is going on with this group. The current blueprint is an utter failure, and I mean that with all due respect. Time to draw up a new one. Stop beating a dead horse. If these protestors are truly serious they need to realize the jig is up. Either move on entirely, or come back with something more substantive and focused. Just my opinion.

To big too fail or too big to win?

The 99% have numbers on their side but how many of the 99% are with the 99%?

Even if everyone in that group was involved and wants change how do you organise even a simple withdrawal of co operation?

The 1% lacks numbers. We could roll over them in a blink if we were organised but we are not.

The 1% can organise in an instant and all be pulling in the same direction. They have control of the on/off switch to the money, food, health of the 99% and control the media.

So to me the only weapons the 99% have is that of the rabble. We are too big to organise so our only weapon is unorganised chaos.

BTW chaos does not have to = violence.

reply to post by OldCorp


OldCorp, I love you brother but I have to part ways with you on this subject. If someone legally earns enough money to drop chud in a solid gold toilet then that’s their right. Who are we to say enough is enough? That sounds a lot like communism to me. Besides, guys with that kind of money are the ones who employ Americans.

We already have a progressive tax system where the top earners pay a larger share (and they don’t have a problem with that). I’ve seen different figures but it looks something like this:

The top 10% of tax payers pays 70% of all the taxes (2009)

The system is broken and people are mad as hell, but attacking the rich is exactly what Obama and liberal democrats want us to do. This is nothing but a "divide and conquer" technique being used to stir up OWS and distract us from the real crooks in DC. I’m not falling for it!

"Too big to fail"

sounds like you are trying to convince yourself....

Here's a question

If this is the 99% why aren't there more of them?

reply to post by seabag


you tout a system where for every dollar you bank the banks can gamble 9x that dollar for the chance to make money and when they lose it costs you.

you claim to want people to be fruitful,
but when the odds are stacted against you 9 to 1 i cant see how you are acually keeping the fruit of your labour.

if this movement was not world wide i would say you might have a point,
but for every 1 person at a protest there are 5 that have too many comitments to acually show up in person.

capatialism allows the regulation of the volume of the money supply,
flood the "market" (no such free market for money and its cost) and everyone has jobs,
drain the market and everybody loses their houses.

quote
by the increase and decrease of the volume of the money supply i can create booms followed by bust that can be traded for profit.

unknown

so open you eyes and ask this single question of yourself and others,
how can interest be charged on loans when for every dollar banked the bank can loan 9 people a dollar,
their only risk is that 7/8 people dont pay back the loan and in that case they still break even

imagine if you could gamble a dollar 9 times and if you lose the person who put the dollar in the bank gets another dollar from the govenment.

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Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by XPLodER

 

Issues.
1. They have to be big first. Just claiming to represent 99percent does not automatically give them that right.
2. In order to fail, they have to have had a modicum of success first.
What have been their successes?

i am surprised you dont know of the two bills and an amedment being put forward considering i replyed to you in one of those threads?

i am confused that you could say that considering the bills and amendment
are you beezzer?

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Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by XPLodER

 

Too Big To Fail

I wonder where I've heard that one before...

If you're trying to instill confidence.
You're doing it wrong...

hi slayer

i find it disturbing that the banks are more important in your mind than the people,
i conclude this because without banks we would still have people,

but without people we would not have banks,

the people didnt double the american money supply,
the people didnt take huge bonuses while losing huge sums of money

when the banks lose they get more nearly free money from the future work of your children

who is to big too fail and if you put the banks ahead of people i will give you the most massive fail in the history of the internet

i promise
so are you for the banks spending your childerens future?

in a proaganda war like this your side seams set but ask this,
is a bank a person?
does a bank breathe?
does a bank have childeren?

do you?

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Originally posted by superstatue
Too big to fail?
So was the Titanic. It was unsinkable.
Don't forget about the Roman Empire.
And what ever happened to the USSR? America's biggest threat at the time.
Why would OWS be any different?

i ask you this
when the 99% started losing their holmes "they were to big to fail,
the bubble created was too big too fail, and the banks were too big to fail

guess what if all americans lose their holmes then the whole country fails

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reply to post by neo96


political trolling
stop baiting the left right argument

this is so simple,
even people who have no idea of finance can see the fact that banks get to gamble 9 dollars for every dollar banked,

and when they are supper recklus the govenment bails them out with your childerens future

how can they lose?
there is NO risk for banks,

is this really a free market

or are you socialism for the banks and the costs for future generations?

the ignorence is scary from you atm
with two bills moving towards the cenate and a constitutional amendment being designed i say
LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE
free markets lets failures fail
socialists DECIDE who the winners and losers are

capitalism for the poor socialism for the rich

are you blind or trying to be obtuse (thanks SO)

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