Rep. Deutch Introduces OCCUPIED Constitutional Amendment To Ban Corporate Money In Politics, page 8

reply to post by DeReK DaRkLy

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Your plan is insanity... that's not an insult, I'm not saying you're not well meaning, but... getting everyone o vote on everything is pretty much the road to (even more) ruin.


The bottom line is that the REAL problem with the US (and most countries) is that they're too big and have too much power to be managed honestly and effectively.

The ONLY way to remove corruption is to remove the "reward".

reply to post by captainnotsoobvious

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The ONLY way to remove corruption is to remove the "reward".

Good luck with that in a world dominated by the love of money.

reply to post by DeReK DaRkLy

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Oh, I don't think it'll happen...

In fact, it's exactly why it WON'T happen.

The issue isn't ideology so much, it's scale... collectivism works on Kibbutzs, direct democracy works in small groups as well, but ANY system trying to implement the wishes of thousands of people is gonna get co-opted by the wealthy and powerful.

What I WOULD say is that, once you understand that, the BEST you an do is try and stop people from getting too much power/influence.

Originally posted by links234
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Sure, progressives were partly responsible for the great depression. However, progressives of the 1920's would be considered conservatives of the 2000's based solely on their economic views.

i swear it, socialists/communists LOVE to rewrite history trying to clear their failed ideology time and again...

Shall we look at what a LIBERAL/LEftwinger website has to say about who put in power the Feds and gave the economy of the United States to the rich banker elites through the Feds?...

The Federal Reserve Act (ch. 6, 38 Stat. 251, enacted December 23, 1913, 12 U.S.C. ch.3) is an Act of Congress that created and set up the Federal Reserve System, the central banking system of the United States of America, and granted it the legal authority to issue Federal Reserve Notes (now commonly known as the U.S. Dollar) and Federal Reserve Bank Notes as legal tender. The Act was signed into law by President Woodrow Wilson.

en.wikipedia.org...

Thomas Woodrow Wilson (December 28, 1856 – February 3, 1924) was the 28th President of the United States, from 1913 to 1921. A leader of the Progressive Movement, he served as President of Princeton University from 1902 to 1910, and then as the Governor of New Jersey from 1911 to 1913. With Progressive ("Bull Moose") Party candidate Theodore Roosevelt and Republican nominee William Howard Taft dividing the Republican Party vote, Wilson was elected President as a Democrat in 1912.

In his first term as President, Wilson persuaded a Democratic Congress to pass major progressive reforms including the Federal Reserve Act, Federal Trade Commission Act, the Clayton Antitrust Act, the Federal Farm Loan Act and an income tax. Wilson brought many white Southerners into his administration, and supported the introduction of segregation into many federal agencies.[1]
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en.wikipedia.org...

Creating a CENTRAL BANKING SYSTEM is directly taken from the socialist/communist systems, and it is certainly NOT something that conservatives in the 2000's would have created...

The same thing can be said of the IRS as it exists today and which was also created by PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS...

Conservatives and real Republicans want SMALLER government, LESS TAXES, and for the government to ABIDE AND OBEY the United States Constitution.

The United States Constitution CLEARLY states that the economy of the U.S. should use the gold/silver standard and no other money/economy should be created to substitute it... The Feds did EXACTLY THE OPOSITE to what the U.S. Constitution says...

The Feds is nothing more than a socialist/communist system created for the slow destruction of the Republic of the United States...

reply to post by xuenchen

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Ban cash donations directly but if you do an affidavit must be signed ensuring that the donation is of your own free will and volition and if you happen to work for certain companies who are notorious for usurping the law you'd be banned from donating.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

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In less then 10 yrs this isn't even going to matter anyhow because after January 01 2013 the Federal Reserve becomes nationalized! It's already happening and the trigger to activate that was pulled way back in 07 and expect by 2015 - 2020 that the phrase "Federal Reserve Note" to disappear from the observe side of the bill, or seeing how you are so vehemently defending The SCUM you'd want the Fed to remain private as it'll hinder the "Job Creators" and God forflippingbid Obama gets behind it, you'll instantly stand against it because tv news told you so.

Do you see and realize now why The United States is holding out for? So that we can regain total control over the coin.

The 2008 crash didn't just happen, that was a direct response to the nationalization order and was to attempt to "leverage" us by "scaring us into submission" and when it didn't work the TP rose who are working on The SCUM's behest in order to further erode us and to beat us up so bad that we say, "Uncle, Uncle" and we have yet to submit and will never submit.

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by xuenchen

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Ban cash donations directly but if you do an affidavit must be signed ensuring that the donation is of your own free will and volition and if you happen to work for certain companies who are notorious for usurping the law you'd be banned from donating.

good plan

but unenforceable.

too easy to trick and too easy to buy off the "enforcers".

"WHO" gets to make the "decisions"?

we are not dealing with rational people.

the psychopaths are in control ... have been for 1000's of years.

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

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In less then 10 yrs this isn't even going to matter anyhow because after January 01 2013 the Federal Reserve becomes nationalized! It's already happening and the trigger to activate that was pulled way back in 07 and expect by 2015 - 2020 that the phrase "Federal Reserve Note" to disappear from the observe side of the bill, or seeing how you are so vehemently defending The SCUM you'd want the Fed to remain private as it'll hinder the "Job Creators" and God forflippingbid Obama gets behind it, you'll instantly stand against it because tv news told you so.

Do you see and realize now why The United States is holding out for? So that we can regain total control over the coin.

edit on 23-11-2011 by TheImmaculateD1 because: (no reason given)

any pictures?

sounds like a plan !

the original Fed Reserve charter has no expiration date.

Congress can change that however.

wishful thinking ......

what will replace the system?

reply to post by xuenchen

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No pics but search up on something called the "Federal Reserve Blackout Clause" installed in 1913. That has already been activated!

The system we know today will remain but there will be different leadership at the helm, instead of private bankers the US Federal Govt will take control for the 4th time in it's history of tendering, manufacturing, regulation and distribution of the coin!

The Congress' hands to stop this have already been tied and are firmly bound. No Congress since the 63rd Congress has yet to permatize it and will not!

As long as The Congress doesn't try to limit the role of The Federal Govt in this case it will work, it restricts it this will fail! This cannot fail!

This is one of the very few aspects whereas broad and far reaching oversight and regulation is mandatory to prevent us from losing it again! This is also one of the very few aspects whereas we need Govt with it's talons and fangs showing and being the big and bad entity that keeps these fools up at night living in total fear and all Govt has to do is look at them a certain way and fear is instantly embedded into them!

reply to post by TheImmaculateD1

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yes yes,

Congress can change the system.

But Congress is owned by the international corporations.

They "own" the Fed Reserve.

reply to post by xuenchen

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Private interests own The Fed but will soon be wholly owned by The US Govt! The Congress wanted to extend it as late as 2010 and were told no sale and foul off!

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by xuenchen

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Private interests own The Fed but will soon be wholly owned by The US Govt!

{slow inhale ..... loud fast exhale}

i hope you are right.

well.....

never mind.

i was going to ask .....

WHO is the US Govt?

reply to post by xuenchen

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We The People of The United States Of America to restore the tradition of "Of The People, By The People and For The People"!

Always exhale slowly so that you can transition smoother! It's like your avatar says, "Don't let the fox guard the chicken house!", well they've been guarding our house for the near last century and look at where it has gotten us.

reply to post by TheImmaculateD1

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One more problem is;

The Fed Reserve is the largest single debt holder of the US Govt.

China is second.

What happens to that debt when "they' decide to change the system?


The Fed Is the Biggest Holder of US Debt


Fed Now Largest Owner of U.S. Gov’t Debt—Surpassing China

reply to post by TheImmaculateD1

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Are you insane or do you like puting words in people's mouth?... Where in the world did I say I wanted the Feds to stay in power as a private institution?...

It was YOUR buddies, the PROGRESSIVES, who put the Feds in power, and people like me want the Feds to end...

You are extremely confused, and ignorant of what even the people you are supporting want...

Those people you are supporting are the ones who want more government control, a nanny state, and for the Feds to stay in power...

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by TheImmaculateD1

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Are you insane or do you like puting words in people's mouth?... Where in the world did I say I wanted the Feds to stay in power as a private institution?...

It was YOUR buddies, the PROGRESSIVES, who put the Feds in power, and people like me want the Feds to end...

You are extremely confused, and ignorant of what even the people you are supporting want...

Those people you are supporting are the ones who want more government control, a nanny state, and for the Feds to stay in power...

Still buying into the left vs right paradigm?

They're ALL BOUGHT, it doesn't matter who does what anymore, they're all working together. The GOP could have stopped it at any time, but they didn't. They didn't because it served their donors' purposes

This entire left vs right thing is a bit like gladiator games...simply there to entertain the dumb masses, so they don't realize what's going on behind the scenes. And sooooo many fall for it

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

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And of course this is not true...

Ron Paul != Barney Frank

George Bush =! Dennis Kucinich

right != left

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

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The Dems of today and the GOP of today are not the same groups that lived 100 yrs ago.

Look at the entire financial markets domestically and look at prior to 2008 that there was next to no regulation over the markets and look at how many people got screwed time and time again and continue to and you want to continue this? Never.

This is where the Nanny State you are so vehemently against does actually and truly help people. Look at Xuchuen's avatar and it reads something called "Don't let the fox guard the chicken house" more then applies here as our regulators cannot be the same ones accepting campaign contributions from the same people they are in fact supposed to be regulating,

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

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There's nothing wrong with a public central bank. We have a private central bank, that's what's wrong.

A little socialism is good for you!

Originally posted by links234
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

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There's nothing wrong with a public central bank. We have a private central bank, that's what's wrong.

A little socialism is good for you!

Who has a "public" central bank ?

What is the difference ?

I thought they all have stockholders.

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